So your feeling pretty good about the French being in charge of our brave men and women????

If I can see through the BS I'm sure we have not duped the Islamic radicals. That is the plan isn't it?????????

Hmmmm sounds like Iraq!

heh...heh...

Politico
By JOHN BRESNAHAN & JONATHAN ALLEN | 3/19/11 4:27 PM EDT

A hard-core group of liberal House Democrats is questioning the constitutionality of U.S. missile strikes against Libya, with one lawmaker raising the prospect of impeachment during a Democratic Caucus conference call on Saturday.

Read more: Liberal Democrats in uproar over Libya action - John Bresnahan and Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

I wonder if they were "hard core" or just "mainstream centrists" when they questioned the previous pres.

Also known as "peace between wars in the region." :hihi:

hey, when they predictably drag some bodies out for the cameras and claim that a tomahawk went astray and hit a wedding, can we start referring to Barry O'Bomber as "the war criminal"?

Gadahfi doesn't care about the people that live there. Never did never will. His family will nuke the place before we kill them all

And no it has nothing to do with Barry. He's in Rio, as far away from current events as possible.

which is why I'm sure he's not above laying some bodies in front of a destroyed building with a big hand written sign that says "BABY MILK FACTORY" in english for media consumption...part of the routine in these situations...that was my point

The head of the Arab League Amr Moussa, has condemned the allied bombing outside of Benghazi, saying the action "differs from the aim of imposing a no-fly zone," and what he wants is "the protection of civilians and not the shelling of more civilians."

The Washington Post:


Moussa's declaration suggested some of the 22 Arab League members were taken aback by what they have seen and wanted to modify their approval lest they be perceived as accepting outright Western military intervention in Libya. Although the eccentric Gaddafi is widely looked down on in the Arab world, Middle Eastern leaders and their peoples traditionally have risen up in emotional protest at the first sign of Western intervention.
A shift away from the Arab League endorsement, even partial, would constitute an important setback to the U.S.-European campaign. Western leaders brandished the Arab League decision as a justification for their decision to move militarily and as a weapon in the debate to obtain a U.N. Security Council resolution two days before the bombing began.

diplomatic immunity of a sort
 

because the international community all voted YES
to stop daffy

there is no such thing as zero civilian casualties in WAR

although our Present technologies keeps that to a minimum
it is still going to happen and is unfortunate.

DAFFY just like sadam insane coulda walked with big bucks
instead they wanna be dead....and have stuck around.

seeing their heads on a pike will be a GOOD horror

Quasi?

-spence

Do you think US troops haven't ever participated in UN and NATO actions before?

Huh?

-spence

And I think that's exactly the concern...another Rwanda like slaughter.

-spence

quasi-
 
a combining form meaning “resembling,” “having some, but not all of the features of,” used in the formation of compound words: quasi-definition; quasi-monopoly; quasi-official; quasi-scientific.
Origin:
< Latin quasi as if, as though, equivalent to qua ( m ) as + sī if

The only question being actively debated in and around the oval office is 'how do we hang this on the prior administration?'
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Well aware of what it means...I'm just more than a bit offended you don't consider me a full blown ELITE :hihi:

-spence

Another huh?

-spence

I'm pretty sure Don meant that you are a full blown elitist. Your'e just quasi intellectual.:)

Good...I believe in balance.

-spence

I'll be curious if this actually happens:
"In the coming days, U.S. officials said they plan to hand over operational control of the military mission. The coalition has nine other announced partners: Belgium, Britain, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Norway, Qatar and Spain.

"One of the things that was very much on (U.S. President Barack Obama's) mind is the importance of a meaningful coalition, meaning other countries making serious military contributions so the United States isn't carrying the preeminent responsibility for an indefinite period of time," Gates said."
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa...pt=T1&iref=BN1

The British, French and Italians are taking a major role in this effort. From reports, it seems that those three countries have been the major players of the aerial assault with the US providing support mostly with Tomahawk Missiles and the occasional Stealth Bomber.

I'm glad the US didn't jump into being the spearhead of this operation. Right now, the UN has the support of the Arab League. I highly doubt that would be the case if the US initiated the assault without full UN approval.

Wishfull thinking on the part of the Administration.

Gut feeling tells me we will end up, as usual, picking up most
of the military action and expense.

Quasi
 

as used in the term FisherCAT

because it has a tail + climbs trees
my what big teeth you have
-the better to eat you with.... :soon:

Hopefully all our involvement will be the part where we kick the door down; Command and control, Integrated Air Defenses, etc. Big difference in US capability versus the the other countries. I hope it works.

As for Arab League support, don't count on much, for long.

This is what I fear will happen.

Hopefully Col Q's military and Mercs flip on him. Of course at this stage of the game even if Q is gone and the rebels take over we'll have one of 3 things happen:

1) Rebels will go all fundamentalist anyway.

2) Rebels will fall under Iranian influence and follow the pattern somewhere along option one.

3) We might have some semblance of a modern democracy that remembers help from the west.

Don't expect the latter.

It dawned on me the other day when / where I do most of my philosophical thinking / reading, one great difference between the regions involved based on phrases is:

• Islam: the shout "Insh' Allah" If God Wills It.
• Christianity: "God helps those that help themselves"

No knocking, not going into great humor, but why did the (supposed) maturation of society / civilization seem to jump over large swaths of land between Morocco and western China?

My understanding of it was that Constantine became a Christian and it
spread under his influence in Rome and then Northward.
Why Northward? Maybe better communication, roads etc.
What always blows my mind is how quickly it spread through the
world by word of mouth as there was no formal communication
system, newspaper, radio or TV.

Just a guess on my part, but being there were so many different tribes with
their religious believes in the South, it wasn't fertile ground for conversion?

Personally, I don't think so. Gates has been pretty consistent in stating every day that the major US role will be only a few days long and then we will be handing the reins over to the other countries. After the initial destruction of the Libyan SAM sites by B2 Bombers, it seems that most missions, including active enforcement of the No-Fly Zone, are being carried out by other countries. This, I like.

As I said before, it's yet to be seen.

My point - I didn't make clear enough, was the rapid transformation - mostly of the good - of the western and eastern parts of the world while largely leapfrogging Africa and the Middle East.

News reports say 2 Tomahawks hit the compound by British submarine.

Seven more were scheduled to hit it also but because CNN and Reuters
reporters were invited in to view the damage they had to cancel.

Sounds like Gaddafi was smarter than the reporters.

A good friend always jokes: "Those people in the Middle East should be like the Jetsons by now. They had thousands of years of a head start over the rest of the world. The problem is that their religion is screwed up and they can't keep killing each other in the name of Allah."

There's definitely some truth to it.

In business, I've always felt "if we aren't moving forward, we're moving backwards." The Middle East hasn't moved forward in the last few thousand years.

Why do you believe a bunch of Sunni Arabs would fall under Iranian influence?

-spence

Why would Iran try to expand its sphere of influence of Sunni Taliban in Afg? Why would Iran try to influence Sunnis in Turkey? Sunnis in Syria? Hamas?

Because they''re trying to secure their borders for the most part. Hamas is certainly a marriage of convenience, but a proxy war with the Zionists is often good PR.

I'm not saying that Iran won't try to influence Libya, but I'm not sure the conditions really exist to get much in return.

-spence

Well Iran doesn't have much oil. So takin Libya into a consolidated state would improve things.

Why doesn't the UN annex it and give it to the Palestinians?

:rotf2: :jester::smokin::hihi:

Secure their borders :rotflmao:

WTH, Obama is turning the war over to a Political Steering Committee
and without us even knowing what our objective is.
Insane.

When did it become a War? :huh:

Huh?

Iran is most focused on neighboring states. Not sure where the joke is, unless you just took a long toke and need to giggle :smokin:

-spence

Aside from war does anyone know what it's called except maybe a Police Action
by the Political Steering Committee?

Generally speaking war is a legal term. Vietnam, Korea...not wars...yikes.

I wouldn't call this a "war"...yet...although I doubt (i.e. hope) it doesn't go there. Depends on how we don't react to Ghaddafi's provocations.

-spence

I wonder if the pilot and the gunner of that plane that when down thought it was a war as they parachuted down into unknown territory?

This is a war and if ever a war was about oil, this is it. It's not for us though. CHANGE MY A$$

There is no part of the above that makes any sense or has any reputable information to support it.

First Obama is incompetent because he chose not to attack Ghaddafi alone and wait for international support. Now, it's a war about oil with the US and all of Europe in on the cover up.

I can understand not liking the guy's policies but at least try and be consistent from day to day.