You should research this.

Nope, don't want to....

Perfectly happy with my assessment of her as despicable.....
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Oh, I know, and it was a very valid point!

Nothing is ever her fault, ever.

But if you're wrong on this what else are you wrong on?

When was that???

From the September 18, 2001, edition of Today:

KATIE COURIC (co-host): Since being elected to office, New York's junior senator, Hillary Rodham Clinton, managed to keep a relatively low profile until terror struck in lower Manhattan. At that moment, she was not just a senator, but a concerned parent. She recently sat down with "Dateline NBC's" Jane Pauley to talk about that morning.

PAULEY: Tuesday morning, Senator Hillary Clinton's first thought when the second plane hit was terrorists. Her next thought was Chelsea, who was not only in New York, but staying downtown.

CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit.

PAULEY: She was close enough to hear the rumble.

CLINTON: She did hear it.

PAULEY: And to see the smoke in person, not on television.

CLINTON: No. Of course, Bill was in Australia. And, you know, he was so upset by what he was seeing on television that I didn't want to tell him that I couldn't find her until I found her. I told him that, you know, everything's fine, don't worry. But I couldn't do it with the level of assurance that I needed until I could find her a couple of hours later


Chelsea Clinton wrote in Talk magazine:

"When the World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11, I was 12 blocks away, (and) nothing has been the same since," Clinton wrote in the December/January issue of Talk magazine, on sale Friday in New York.

[...]

Clinton had been staying with her high school friend Nicole Davison in her apartment near Union Square for a few days in September before she went to England to study at Oxford. After they had coffee together, Davison went to work and Clinton returned to the apartment.

Davison called Clinton with the news of the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Center. Clinton turned on the television and watched the second plane crash into the second WTC tower, and tried to reach her mother in Washington, but after speaking to her assistant, the phone line went dead.

[...]

Panicked, Chelsea Clinton left the apartment and found herself running toward downtown "in the direction everyone else was coming from," in search of a public telephone. She was desperate to call her mother and her father, who was on a speaking tour in Australia.

Chelsea Clinton was downtown in line at a pay phone when she heard the rumble of the second tower collapsing. Later she found Davison and another friend, and the three spent the day walking uptown. Chelsea Clinton wrote that she had an "irrational medley of thoughts" running through her head.


What am I missing?
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You didn't point out where she admitted lying to Bill.
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I liked it better when you pretended you didn't read my posts.

I don't say the same words over and over. I present different arguments. Say it in different ways. Present new or different evidence. That's not an indication of Tourettes. An obsession, maybe. But an important one.

And I did once say, in the same, light-hearted way as I said about you, that I had Constitution Tourettes. I didn't even qualify it as a "mild case." So, again, you're repeating "old news." (By the way, the "old news" bit is a light hearted jab at Spence, not you.)

Spence, TDF answed that quite nicely. :hihi:

What did you miss TDF, nothin, absolutely nothin. :)

Seriously?

No Seriously?

Reeeeally, Seriously?

So let's get your own story straight.

1) Chelsea corroborates she was living and in the area during the attack

2) They both said she went out for coffee just before the attack

3) Hillary never said she was actually running around the WTC but rather said "She was going to go"

4) Chelsea is well known for being an avid runner...

And you think this qualifies as a lie? Sweet Jesus, so now they have to make sure their stories are *exactly* identical otherwise it's a national scandal. Well Chelsea, if you ever talk about it mention the running right because I did on the Today show... :sleeps:

Dude, you're smarter than this.

I honestly do ignore the majority of your posts. Too long for me. Same as I ignore the majority of the other very long posts. I usually start ignoring and stop reading threads that go past 2 pages or so or that continue into the weekend. Prob. 1 person on here that I try to ignore all of their posts - I consider them too snarky, smart but snarky.

Its not my Story....Its Hillary's "Story"....and she's sticking to it


Never said it was a national scandal....someone asked to bring up other examples of her lying.....she lied

Yes or No....was Chelsea jogging around NY city when the planes hit? Hillary said she was....Chelsea said she wasn't. That's a lie....this was a week after 9/11....so by then Hillary should have known the truth about her daughter's whereabouts....but that certainly wouldn't have garnered as much sympathy if the public knew she was actually just at home watching Oprah hand out a bunch of blenders.

Smart enough to know I'm not wasting my vote on her.....I cannot stand that woman.

How about this one...

Hillary Clinton: I was 'instrumental' in Northern Ireland peace process


Hillary Clinton, accused last week by a Nobel Peace Prize winner of exaggerating her claims of having "helped" bring peace to Northern Ireland, has raised the stakes by stating she was "instrumental" in doing so.

The former First Lady laughed and dismissed criticisms she had inflated her foreign policy experience in Northern Ireland and Bosnia as "nitpicking" on Thursday.

When asked by National Public Radio whether she had been in the "centre of the room" during Northern Ireland peace talks, she said: "What I was was part of a team and that team included obviously the principal negotiators under the direct authority of my husband.

"I wasn't sitting at the negotiating table but the role I played was instrumental. I guess it was in December when Ian Paisley [Democratic Unionist Party leader] and Martin McGuinness [Sinn Fein leader] came to the United States.

"I think they met with the leadership of Congress, with the President and with me and they thanked me publicly for the role I had played."

But Mrs Clinton's version of events has been challenged by Peter King, an Ulster Unionist Party negotiator at the Good Friday talks in 1998, who said: "Hillary Clinton was totally invisible at the actual negotiations.

"As far as I am concerned, Mrs Clinton was as relevant to peace in Northern Ireland as Tony Blair's wife or the ex-wife of Bertie Ahern [the Irish prime minister]."

Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, who shared the Nobel Peace Prize with John Hume of the nationalist Social Democratic and Labour Party in 1998, told The Daily Telegraph last week that Mrs Clinton's claims were a "wee bit silly".

This month, Terry McAuliffe, Mrs Clinton's campaign chairman, told CNN: "We would not have peace today had it not for Hillary's hard work in Northern Ireland."

Both Unionist and Nationalist negotiators told this newspaper that while Mrs Clinton's work with women's groups was positive her overall role was peripheral and she played no part in the gruelling negotiations that took years.

Mr Paisley boycotted the talks that led to the Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland, though he has since become the province's First Minister.

Greg Craig, a foreign policy adviser to Barack Obama who served in President Bill Clinton's administration at the time of the talks, said the "inflated" claim called into question Mrs Clinton's judgement.

"Did the Irish have anything to do with this?...I'm not aware she solved any of the many, many thorny problems that had to be resolved, whether it was disarmament or whatever."

He cited accounts of the Northern Ireland talks by George Mitchell, who chaired them, and Madeleine Albright, then US Secretary of State, that hardly featured Mrs Clinton.

"If you look at the books that deal with the American side she doesn't figure in any significant way, certainly not instrumental."

That's a good one.

She also said she would release all of her paid speech transcripts that she gave to Wall Street banks... Lol.
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That's really insulting to those in NYC. You're starting to lose your cool.

Perhaps you should just redefine what a lie means for Hillary, redefine the standard. For instance if I tell someone I'm going to the bank and then get gas, yet what I *really* do is get gas and then go to the bank...I've pulled a Hillary and should endure national scorn, a light stoning and a few lawsuits.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-m...ys-experience/

George Mitchell was there and disagrees.

Oops, another Hillary.

So the paper I quoted....which was a non-partisan UK Newspaper, which quotes people from the Ireland/UK part of the negotiations, is wrong....

I need to believe your source that quotes another democrat....got it.

Didn't know I needed to play by a custom set of rules to determine If I think a person is a liar.

Still think she's a liar.....though

Yankees Suck!! Whoops....Insulted them again....

Maybe you should start a movement if my comments actually insulted the citizens of NYC...... Maybe you can call it #LiarsLivesMatter

That's not true, she said she would if everyone else did. Fair.

Spence, it would be a lot easier to take you seriously on this topic, if you would chime in on the sniper thing - just a couple of sentences. Why is that too much to ask? There have been times on this forum where you have had me against the ropes, and I happily admitted it. I promise you, your head won't explode if you admit she flat-out lied.

Then, she tells CNN that she has never lied.

I don't think she even knows when she's lying and when she's not. She is in George Costanza territory.

No, it shows there are multiple perspectives. If Clinton thought she was an important part of the process, and others thought so as well, that doesn't mean she's lying...

Had she made the claim and perhaps not been there at all, that would be a lie.

So in the case of the " sniper attack", she was there and she thought she was under fire , even though she was receiving flowers from a little girl, it doesn't mean she was lying .
It just means she is insane or maybe has the early stages of Alzheimer's . Either way she is not fit to be President.
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Hey Spence is this Hillary lying to Bill?
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According to George Mitchell....she was basically a Trophy Wife (in the words of Frank Barone "What Contest in Hell did I win)

So if Hillary believes it, it must be true.

She said she was Instrumental.....she was not.

She hung out with the other wives....probably chatting the night away about shoes and their husbands infidelities :hee:

Thank you. Either she is lying, or she's crazy. There isn't a third option, unless she never claimed to have come under sniper attack, but rather, the vast right wing conspiracy framed her, to make it look like she said there was a sniper. The same geniuses who framed Bill to make it look like he was cheating on her, also set her up with the sniper thing.

If the GOP nominee doesn't play ads 24/7 that show her making that claim, then showing the video of what actually happened, and then showing her telling CNN this weekend that she has never lied...then we don't deserve to win. They should use that to club her like a baby seal.

Bingo, Buck. Anybody with the least bit of common sense would agree.

Great, now making sexist references. You're on a roll....

No it means she was warned before landing of the danger of sniper fire and told they'd likely have to run in and just recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception. You just assume it's a lie because you think everything -- including items which are clearly not lies -- are still lies. That may say more about you than it does her.

I do hope you hold all candidates to the same impossible standard to which you hold Clinton.

Come on spence..

http://youtu.be/rZHO1vo762c
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You going through your liberal "Label of the Day" calendar again?
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"recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception"

That's actually sad to me. I mean that.

Do you sincerely believe, that she confused a peaceful reception where she shook hands along the ropeline, all smiles...with getting shot at and having to dive into a military vehicle?

She's a story teller . That's what we used to call children when they were making up stories. You really have an extremely low standard for honesty .
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I think he has more of an art for trolling :hihi:
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You are far too sharp to believe that. Far too sharp.

All good politicians are story tellers. How much stuff do you think Reagan completely fabricated? Why do you think Trump is so entertaining?

Again, you're holding Clinton to a completely different standard.

Clinton denies ever story telling. EVER ....See the difference .
She is the one holding herself to a higher standard then Trump , not me .
That's why I hate politicians and I do not put them on a pedestal like you . Proof is in the pudding
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No, she denies lying. There's a difference between misspeaking or a little sensationalism and an outright deception.

People say things that aren't true all the time, doesn't mean it's a lie.

Repeatedly miss speaking about the same matter is lying . Sorry, that's just the way it is .
Sensationalism ??? That one made me chuckle
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It's a character flaw . One I don't like seeing in friends , one I won't tolerate from my children , one we have in the current President ( except he outright lies , often ) and one I don't want in the next one .
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I do a lot of speaking before groups and sensationalize and dramatize things all the time. It makes the message come through stronger and captures people's attention. Doesn't mean I'm dishonest.