"What say you?"

What say I?...Hmmm...

I remember Obama's comments concerning the Iraq Surge, which he opposed and derided, refused to admit is was succeeding, and when he could deny it no longer, he said something like "it exceeded everybody's expectations". Actually, it did precisely what the military expected it would do, but Obama's original expectations, since they were based on ideology instead of military logic, coul dnot have been more wqrong.

I remember the jillion dollar stimulus package, which Obama said would keep unemployment below 8% and woudl fund all these shovel ready jobs. When the dust settled, unemployment went much higher than 8%, and Obama LAUGHINGLY said that those jobs weren't as shovel-ready as he originally thought. Once again, his predictions could not have been more wrong.

And here, he dismisses ISIS as a "JV" squad.

Obviously, no one is perfect, and of course I am biased because I absolutely despise everything about Obama. But these were major, major issues, and not only was he not right, it would almost be impossible for him to have been more wrong.

This is, predictably, what you get when you elect a guy who has absolutely no track record of accomplishing anything significant. Community organizer in Chicago? i'm not sure what that means exactly, but whatever it was he did in Chicago, it doesn't appear to have been all that effective at improving conditions there.

There are lots of ideas that sound absolutely fantastic in an Ivy League faculty room, but which fail miserably in the real world. Being educated is a fine thing, but it needs to be combined with SOME real-world experience.

The giuy can't get one right, not even by accident. Everything he touches, turns to vomit.

He doesn't disregard it when it comes from the right. When it comes from the right, he accuses it of being hate-based and racist. I'd be happier if he ignored me, than if he called me a hate-mongering racist. "Republicans in the House, you've got to stop hating al the time". That's the guy who I'm supposed to believe is interested in representing me?

Spence, the point is, Obama dismissed ISIS as a non-threat when he referred to them as "the JV". Obama also mocked Romney for stating that Russia was a threat to be taken seriously (the 1980's called, they want their foreign policy back. Haw haw haw!! tell that to the Ukranians...

It's almost comical how incompetent the guy is, how deep he is in over his head. Bill Clinton, for all his faults, realized when it was time to put his ideoilogy aside and listen to Newt Gingrich when Gingrich was clearly correct. Obama cannot, or will not, do that. Amazing.

Also, I recall that Obama sent Eric Holder and some other brass from the Attorney General's office to Ferguson. Has Eric Holder been sent to Mexico to find out what the hell is going on with the Marine that's been jailed there for months? What about the Pakistani doctor, who risked his neck to help us catch Bin Laden, and we sit by while Pakistan throws this guy in jail for treason?

Spence, is this how we treat those who risk everything, literally risk everything, to help us?

I don't get it. I just don't get it. I guess you have to have a Harvard degree to understand why that's actually brilliant foreign policy.

I thought Obama's charm, as opposed to Bush's brutality, was supposed to make countries like us more? I'm sure that jailed marine and the Pakistani doctor, take great comfort in knowing that Obama is so skilled at ensuring that other countries become productive allies of ours.

Go ahead Spence, tell me where I'm wrong, and why these are actually brilliant moves by your man-crush.

Clearly ,as Biden put it " one of Our proudest achievements "
These people are so busy baffling people with bull #^&#^&#^&#^& they can't concentrate on the truth anymore .
We all know that person that lies so often they make #^&#^&#^&#^& up to cover for there lies and refuse to aknowledge the truth . Apparently that type of behavior can make you President some day .
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Closer to home, where was the out cry from Holder and Obama when just about a week ago in Dorchester, Dawn Jaffier was shot dead while marching. Here is a girl loved by her community. She loved working with kids.

I guess she did not count because it was black on black

I know someone who works for ob on a daily basis- says he's become more arrogant than before, if that's possible. still can't believe we (not me) elected this clown- twice. show those corksuckers isis we love them by sending them some hallmark cruise missles. gotta kill it before it grows and comes here.

Where was Obama, Holder and the FBI when the Austrialan baseball player in Oaklahoma was murdered by 3 black youths who said they had nothing better to do? It was difinitly racial. One even tweeted how he hated whites.

Matter of fact, Y was there no white protest on the streets?

I just read a headline and story..... "Obama wants to make ISIS a "manageable problem"" OK. There you go. He has his strategy......WTF

It's his " never take a position " policy. It is a disgrace that a man with no spine ,is the leader of such a great nation.
Now we find out that he has been warned , in daily briefings , of the threat ISIS has posed, for over a year now .
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A response is what Isis wants. These videos are baiting tactics to bring us into Iraq and Syria. Doing this would only empower them more. That said, Obama sure looks like a lame duck these days.
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Pretty arrogant and stupid move on their part if that is their hope.
If we have a get a leader who will let the US take off the gloves and use the firepower that we have they will be annihilated in short order.
I would start with a couple 500 pounders drifting down onto our evacuted embassies .
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And when 10 or 30 innocent civilians die from those bombs, what happens next.

This is a delicate situation that requires delicate action. Pouring gasoline on a fire comes to mind.
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War is ugly . We didn't ask to be in it . Your thinking ends up getting more people killed in the long run.
I don't know if you've been watching the news, but they're killing thousands of innocent people .
The United States armed forces are extremely good at doing two things. Killing the enemy and destroying their infrastructure . If you don't let them do that then we will not succeed. We have several wars in recent history to prove that.
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they don't have all the toys we have
fly's on the wall

That scenario is ugly, and it's what Israel faces every single day. But you have to protect yuorselves and do what's right.

It's ugly. But one thing history has taught us is this...when you decide to go in in a situation like this, you go in all the way or you don't go at all. Half-measures will never work. Obama is doing airstrikes, and I give him credit for that. But if ISIS is the threat they seem to be, it's time to send in the cavalry and kill as many as we possibly can, avoiding civilian casualties when possible, living with the consequences when it's not possible.

It's awful, but it's necessary. There is more to being President that golfing and fund-raising and hob-nobbing with the swells on Martha's Vineyard. Maybe we shouldn't have chosen someone who constantly voted "present" as a state senator, because he din't have the courage to take a position and act on it.

Sounds like we need a "glass-lined" parking lot in that region.
Since we're dealing with uncivilized animals that live their pathetic lives via the internet, maybe we can show them exactly what a "long distance" reply really looks and feels like?
Sure, an ICBM isn't as fast as the web, but it will make much more of an "impact" when it arrives, and we can send them just as easily as an email.

every single piece of equipment we gave to the IRAQ
military should have had a tracking element built into
the metal (non removable) so selecting them later as targets
if STOLEN would be as easy as pie.

Great idea Rav, a GPS in every piece of heavy armament.

I think we should send a message to isis with a few B2's loaded with 1000 lb bombs on 9/11/.

so let me get this right, we know where the isis headquarters is in Raqqa Syria and it still stands ?????? neither borders nor walls should be able to shield those sob's.

You mean you don't want to "talk" with them, to try and reach some peaceful solution? Apparently our leaders seem to want to.

I say send them back to the dark ages, and let those that survive discover fire and the wheel all over again!!!

Every decision Obama makes is based on what's best for him politically.
Having known and been briefed on isis for over a year he waits until our citizen is beheaded before acknowledging they are a threat ,hoping nothing would happen before the November elections, imho.

God forbid he upset the left by being out in front of this building a coalition
over the last year to deal with them. Well he's got a crisis on his hands now and let's see how Holder's belief "never let a crisis go to waste " will serve him this time.

What happened, all the Libs decided at one time that a Fishing site
is no place to have a Political Forum ? :huh: :)

they just need a little lead flying around their neighborhood is all
-dave

mission creep-> mission creep.... thats the bottom line....now
give it time...

heck if we can spend a trillion on a war on drugs
than we haven't even got started yet .... over there...

gas should be cheap

He's doing the same thing on Immigration, hold out until after the mid-terms.

So now that he's in flying missions with meat in the cockpit. What happens if one of them has to bail out over ISIS held land, no boots on the ground to rescue? This will get worse, the only way to fight these people are to kill them and every foreign national fighting with them

Yes, at least until after the Election in November, and maybe even after
the one in 2016.

You're making the assumption the President didn't want to leave a residual force. By Obama's own words we did but the Iraqi's didn't.

People need to look at the constraints in the decision and not just fall back on what's now a talking point.

I'm not sure having troops there would have been a magic fix anyway. ISIS would still have likely crossed the border and dragged us right back into a large scale confrontation even faster. We'd quite likely be in it mostly alone versus the global action that's forming.

Yes, I'm sure the Iraqi Muslims who openly thanked Jim were just repressed savages.

Didn't the first Islamic Caliphate bring about great advances in mathematics, astronomy and medicine while their western counterparts were sacking neighboring villages and fending off Vikings?

The dictatorships associated with the Middle East today are as much a product of Western conquest and geopolitics as they are self determination. It's a lens that's convenient to drop...

I'm sure there would be boots on the ground for a rescue mission. A big variable is what kind of anti-aircraft equipment they've been able to acquire.

Really !!
Anybody with a Facebook page has seen Obama's own words taking credit for removing the troops as he had promised.
Or are they being taken out of context ?
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