Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating (http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/index.php)
-   Political Threads (http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/forumdisplay.php?f=66)
-   -   nts to pay off unins to stop whining about Obamacare (http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=83542)

justplugit 10-23-2013 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1018748)
The shut time was "catastrophic."It's the reason the jobs performance was so poor and now we find out the incompetent IRS can't do their job and things will be delayed 2 to 3 weeks because of the shutdown. What a bunch of buffoons. I'm actually stunned these people manage to get themselves up in the morning.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Hey Buck, have no fear, the newly hired 16,000 IRS advisors for Obamacare got 20 days training for their jobs to advise us on what our individual health care needs are.
I would bet it would take 20 weeks to read and understand Obamacare as it is written let alone be an advisor with what was supposed to be 30 days of training but reduced to 20 so this debacle could be rolled out on time.

buckman 10-23-2013 10:20 AM

If your on "Florida Blue",
you just lost your health care !!
That's 300k future votes for the tea party I figure. ;)
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Fly Rod 10-23-2013 02:24 PM

Speaking of the IRS


http://money.msn.com/business-news/a...23&id=17028449

spence 10-23-2013 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1018748)
So now that we know that the shutdown could've been avoided and the mandate for individuals should have been postponed for year, as the GOP said, I'm dying to hear Spence and Paul's spin on
this.

So you're asserting the GOP had insight into IT issues? I'm all ears...

-spence

Jim in CT 10-23-2013 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1018801)
So you're asserting the GOP had insight into IT issues? I'm all ears...

-spence

You don't need to be Nostradamus to have guessed that if Obama had anything to do with it, it would turn into a puddle of vomit.

justplugit 10-25-2013 09:27 AM

The problem is, Ego has taken over in place of what's best for the American people.
If Obama was a true leader and servant of the people he would take this Affordable? Health Care Act back to the drawing board , help the 28% of the people without health care as it was orignally supposed to do and leave the other 72% alone.
Where is the $2500 savings/ average family when mine has gone up over $900 for 2 people? Hope no one has gone out and bought a big ticket item with their anticipated savings.
People are finally waking up, including the Dems, as this thing rolls out and it starts
hitting people in their pocket book.

TheSpecialist 10-25-2013 08:03 PM

The biggest problem with medical care in this country, is the disparity that hospitals and doctors charge, and the reasonable amount they accept from insurance companies. If you are not insured or have a week plan you pay through the nose. The government needs to set a fee schedule for all things medical, then worry about insurance for all. In the long run it will save billions of dollars...

spence 10-25-2013 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1018765)
If your on "Florida Blue",
you just lost your health care !!
That's 300k future votes for the tea party I figure. ;)
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

This isn't true at all.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

spence 10-25-2013 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1019146)
The biggest problem with medical care in this country, is the disparity that hospitals and doctors charge, and the reasonable amount they accept from insurance companies. If you are not insured or have a week plan you pay through the nose. The government needs to set a fee schedule for all things medical, then worry about insurance for all. In the long run it will save billions of dollars...

Sounds like central planning. Perhaps all the private companies that have lobbied for price fixing over the years should fess up.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

detbuch 10-25-2013 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1019155)
Sounds like central planning.

Yup. And government price controls generally create negative distortions on the market. If it were possible for the government to impose the exact price levels which would achieve a true equilibrium in market transactions, it might be a good thing. So far, that doesn't seem to have been possible.

Perhaps all the private companies that have lobbied for price fixing over the years should fess up.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

That would expose their request for crony capitalistic suppression of competition. We all know that crony capitalism is a No-No. But, alas, it happens anyway. The "left" and the "right" rail against it, but neither is able to eliminate it.

scottw 10-26-2013 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1019146)
The biggest problem with medical care in this country, is the disparity that hospitals and doctors charge, and the reasonable amount they accept from insurance companies. If you are not insured or have a week plan you pay through the nose. The government needs to set a fee schedule for all things medical, then worry about insurance for all. In the long run it will save billions of dollars...

this could probably work....we'll have the government give one of Michelle's college classmates a no bid contract for millions of dollars to fix the pricing of all medical related everything....and then worry about insurance for all (oh, we've got that now thanks to Obamacare)...and we'll probably save billions and all will progress quite swimmingly....


we are in so much trouble......

detbuch 10-27-2013 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1019171)
this could probably work....we'll have the government give one of Michelle's college classmates a no bid contract for millions of dollars to fix the pricing of all medical related everything....and then worry about insurance for all (oh, we've got that now thanks to Obamacare)...and we'll probably save billions and all will progress quite swimmingly....


we are in so much trouble......

Yes, I agree we are in much trouble. To a great degree, in the social and political realms, we have become a society based on ad hoc decisions rather than on principles. What works, how it can be fixed, is based on narrow situational problems and perspectives rather than on the grand scheme. Fix economic problems such as the cost of health care by the most obvious idea--fix the price so everyone can afford it--rather than applying economic principles. Rather than understanding economic forces which make things "affordable" to greater numbers, let's just have the government fix the thing and by fiat lower the price--theoretical consequences be damned. Isn't that what government is for, and if not, what's it good for?

And so government responds (or instigates). It abandons principles and "fixes" things by "pragmatic" mandates which most "obviously" and immediately produce solutions. That the solutions, not being results of time tested principles, become further and even larger problems is not seen as a result, but as a flaw in execution. Not enough money, not enough time, not enough of some x factor which more regulations will surely address. Obstructionists will only slow down the progress of solving our problems. They are the kooks and must be marginalized, destroyed if necessary, in order to continue toward the perfection of society. And principles are like huge stones in a garden. They petrify the soil, and must be discarded.

We've progressively dug ourselves into deeper holes in this way, and the only solution of management by ad hoc managers is more of the same. Just in more expansive and larger quantities.

scottw 10-27-2013 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1019279)
Yes, I agree we are in much trouble. To a great degree, in the social and political realms, we have become a society based on ad hoc decisions rather than on principles. What works, how it can be fixed, is based on narrow situational problems and perspectives rather than on the grand scheme. Fix economic problems such as the cost of health care by the most obvious idea--fix the price so everyone can afford it--rather than applying economic principles. Rather than understanding economic forces which make things "affordable" to greater numbers, let's just have the government fix the thing and by fiat lower the price--theoretical consequences be damned. Isn't that what government is for, and if not, what's it good for?

And so government responds (or instigates). It abandons principles and "fixes" things by "pragmatic" mandates which most "obviously" and immediately produce solutions. That the solutions, not being results of time tested principles, become further and even larger problems is not seen as a result, but as a flaw in execution. Not enough money, not enough time, not enough of some x factor which more regulations will surely address. Obstructionists will only slow down the progress of solving our problems. They are the kooks and must be marginalized, destroyed if necessary, in order to continue toward the perfection of society. And principles are like huge stones in a garden. They petrify the soil, and must be discarded.

We've progressively dug ourselves into deeper holes in this way, and the only solution of management by ad hoc managers is more of the same. Just in more expansive and larger quantities.

this also assumes a benevolent government that will not grant favoritism and benefits to political supporters and cronies, free of corruption and one that will not use the power given to intimidate and manipulate and one that is competent enough to manage this responsibility which will result in the savings of billions( I believe it would be a first)...rather than cost multi-billions in the long run


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:12 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1998-20012 Striped-Bass.com