I don't want to "tear her down", I just want her out of public service, I thiink her policies are counterproductive. The reason she's still around, is because (like the Kennedys), the Clintons are somehow able to get people like you to put aside any critical thought, and refuse to hold them accountable for anything they do.

"Trump is all hat and no cattle "

He's a billionaire. He's got some cattle somewhere. You want to see what "all hat and no cattle" looks like, look at the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

"under-appreciating her resilience and skills would be a big mistake. Trump can't respond to Hillary giving an insightful response on foreign policy"

The hell he can't! He sure as hell can say "look what Iraq looked like when you were sworn in as Secstate, and look at what it looks like now. And if you want to talk foreign policy, let's talk about that trip where you say you came under sniper attack."

What's her response to that? Is she going to blame Bush for the invasion, even though she staunchly supported it? Why not, you won't question her when she does it.

I have very little use for Trump. One thing he will do, is beat her up when she's slinging BS. For example, when she started patting herself on the back for being a feminist, Trump immediately (and correctly) claimed that no one who enables her husband's behavior, no one who attacks the character of her husband's victims, has any business calling herself a feminist. We need someone who isn't afraid to throw an elbow when she is begging for it. Neither McCain nor Romney would do it to Obama.

In the end, if it's Trump v Hilary, she will win at least 48 states. But he will call her out when she is spouting BS.

Seriously?
Muslims cheering all over the place after 9/11; thousands and thousands... he saw it, remember?
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...umps-huge-lies

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

For Cruz? Ask Ben Carson in Iowa, as Blue Cross in Texas, and a few others I can't recall from memory...

I can't imagine how a reasonably intelligent person who inherits tens of millions of dollars and has countless family political connections couldn't do very well for themselves. And then given that, how many of Trumps businesses have been total failures? Have you ever read about Trump University? How much has he sloughed off with the multiple bankruptcies? I hear he has nice golf courses, the one thing you could say he's excelled at is reality TV...lord.

So the family caught stealing from the White House is in a different demographic?
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Who stole from the White House?

I didn't say he was a genius. he managed to gro wthat, and not screw it up too bad.

"how many of Trumps businesses have been total failures?"

More than zero. Is every one of those, his fault? Or sometimes, do macro-economic conditions, which cannot always be predicted, dictate things? Don't you work in business in some capacity? Using your logic, how many of Obama's policies have been total failures (stimulus keeping unemployment below 8%???)

"the one thing you could say he's excelled at is reality TV...lord"

he's a buffoon, no doubt. He also excels at real estate management. He's not batting 1.000, but you cannot say that he hasn't succeeded. It's not remotely enough to make him qualified to be POTUS. Neither is the amoral, compulsive liar who was a disaster as SecState.

Everything that wasn't nailed down, went in their moving van. Come on Dangles, she was "broke" at the time, they needed the loot!!

Spence will say that wasn't her fault either, she honestly thought she was entitled to the dinner china, art, carpets, copper wiring, light fixtures, ashtrays, and toilets, that they took with them.

Trump and Hilary are both jerks who will say anything to appease the voter base that they are currently whoring themselves out to.

He hasn't already demonstrated that he'd be a disaster in a high-level federal position. She has shown that. That's one difference.

The Clintons did, you know that, and your defense was that she honestly thougt she was entitled to pillage the White House on their way out of town. Somehow, despite being "broke" at the time, they wrote a huge check to the National Park Service to pay for the stuff they pillaged.

They sacked the White House like Cossacks on their way out of town. At least we no longer needed a penicillan dispensory in the Oval Office once he left. Or was it really a vast right-wing conspiracy, that rumor that he had a slight problem with fidelity. Certainly you deny that Hilary was lying when she said that...

I remember 9/11 well , I was glued to the tv and I absolutely recall Muslim celebrations both in our country and other countries . I vividly recall the anger I felt . Don't tell me it didn't happen
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Perhaps he's just a con artist...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/op...sity.html?_r=0

Trump Vodka bust, Trump airlines bust, Trump casinos 3 bankruptcies, Trump Mortgage bust, he's dissing our trade with China without noting that his clothing line was made there.

I've got to believe that he's flipped on about 3/4+ of any political positions he's taken in the last 20 years.

The only thing admirable about Trump is his manipulation of the people. It's fascinating and pretty scary.

It didn't happen.

You lie more than Hillary. What does Jesus think about your lying?

No, do you understand what a Trophy Wife even is???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_Trump

Yes I do.....hence my Frank Barone comment....
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Absolute smoke show
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Does he make money in the aggregate, or lose it? How many people work for him?

"I've got to believe that he's flipped on about 3/4+ of any political positions he's taken in the last 20 years."

Correct.

I am as flawed as anyone. The difference is, unlike her, I admit it, I don't claim to be perfect on CNN when I know I'm not. But I don't lie more than her. How many times has she made reference to the phony war on women? A dishonest statement, clearly intended to deceive the sheep, in order to make them afraid of Republicans.

Last night in SC Hillary got to blame "Whitey" for all the blacks problems....just friggin awesome....

Got to throw out all the buzz words, Systematic racism and White Privilege.....real prize she is.

I figure since I got the sexist label you might as well throw out the racist label
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Good thread and the first Spence meltdown I can recall. Desperation elicits interesting reactions,too many balls in the air for Jeff to handle. He needs an assist from Monica!
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Hillary's point was that her role at times required compromising her own safety.

Nice manipulation of my words.

And Clinton acknowledged and apologized for her misstatement.

"War on Women" is an expression Jim.

Did you actually read what she said?

Yes, what a meltdown...it's tragic really. I'm at a loss for what to do :cputin:

you're rolling out all the same old one-liners:spin:

Talking points . He's a good follower
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"Hillary's point was that her role at times required compromising her own safety."

I'm not sure ow you conclude that's what her point was, because that's not remotely what she said. Brian Williams got suspended for telling a very similar lie. If that lie precludes you from reading the news off a teleprompter (which a monkey could do), one could make a compelling case that it similarly precludes you from having the moral compass to be POTUS.

Spence, you are bending over backwards to tell us why her questionable actions shoul dnot matter, and we shoud only focus on the good. With Trump, you are saying he's not a good businessman, because some of his many ventures have failed.

Do you really not appreciate the double-standard you apply to evaluating these two people.

They are both dishonest jerks. You, like most Americans, are willing to accept moral lapses from your candidate, as long as they agree with you on the issues that matter to you. I thought Bill Clinton was a scumbag, but a pretty good President.

Is this your interpretation Jeff? Because unless she is allergic to flowers she was not exactly in harms way.
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"War on women" is an expression. So is "attacking women's health", she likes that one, too. Yes, they are expressions. They are also lies, intended to deceive the bleeting sheep.

"And Clinton acknowledged and apologized for her misstatement"

She did NOT acknowledge it, because she just told CNN last week, that she doesn't think she has ever lied to the public.

Even if she did apologize, that doesn't mean we forget. I believe Anthone Weiner apologized, does that mean you'd vote for him wihtout hesitation? They all apologize, always after they get caught.

That was funny, but she is potentially in harm's way. On this visot in question, there were American soldiers in the woods, making sure there was no sniper. That's how it came out thayt she was lying. After she misspoke lied about being shot at, the commanding officer of the men who put themselves at risk to make sure she was safe, went on TV and stated that she was lying, that he was there, and that there was no sniper. She stuck to her misstatement lie, until the video came out.