sh*thole countries
Maybe the most appalling thing I have heard Trump say, and that's saying a lot.
I'd vote for him again over Hilary...but man oh man, that's not a good guy. You can have a debate about the merits of allowing more immigrants who are self sufficient and fewer immigrants who have nothing, but to use that language in that setting...says a lot about him, and it doesn't say anything good. If he could keep his damn mouth shut and just get populist stuff done, the GOP would be looking at a landslide in the midterms. I hope he doesn't run again. Hand it over to Pence and Nikki Haley. |
I suspect the people leaving the countries he's referring to would agree with him...that's why they are leaving or attempting to
"an estimated 80 percent of Haitians live in absolute poverty." |
Make America white again, that's really what he meant to say during his campaign. Yesterday's comments by Trump are just another example of his white is right attitude and I just can't imagine working in his administration waiting for the next completely inappropriate comment or tweet knowing that you must shamelessly defend or twist what he said into something he really (yeah sure) meant.
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Another acceptable answer would be, "because that's what America is about - opportunity". Yet a third answer would be "we have sh*thole cities in America. People who come here from other sh*thole countries, are far more likely to become productive citizens and send their kids to medical school, than drug addicted welfare recipients currently living in Chicago. Because many immigrants come here and cannot believe how awesome it is, whereas people already here, take it for granted". |
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He's an unbelievable jerk. |
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If he said it he needs to publicly apologize in a press conference. Uncalled for.
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Immigration should not be based on nicely worded talking points. Accepting sheithole immigrants is stupid. Bringing in the cream of the crop from sheitholes deprives those holes of the very people they need to solve their sh*tty problems. |
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I'm not following you. I wouldn't say we offer citizenship to every human being we happen to feel sorry for. What I am saying is that providing an opportunity for some people who were born unlucky, is noble, it's American, and it's the right thing to do, and I have no issue paying taxes to support it. I don't want to limit immigration to wealthy white people. "We cannot bestow that benefit on the rest of the world" I never heard anyone suggest we could. Trump seemed to suggest we shouldn't bestow it to people of color born in bad places. I'm sad to see you defending that. "Giving it to those who are not willing to fight for it" I don't know that immigrants are a lot less patriotic than the rest of us. The right kind of immigrant (poor through no fault of his own, who comes here and makes something of himself) has more reason to love this country than most of us. I'm not talking about Mexican illegals who come over to deal meth. I'm talking about, if I can stereotype, Asians and Indians who come here with nothing, and in one generation, their kids are in medical school. There's a lot of those people out there. That's who I want. They're not all white, they don't all currently live in Norway. Maybe he didn't say what is being reported, it wouldn't be the first time the media lied to make him look bad. Nor would it be beyond him to say something that vile. |
I wanted to confirm this so I googled “trump , #^&#^&#^&#^&hole” . All I came up with were his hotel reviews.
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The WH is not worried as a spokesman reportedly said that it will resonate w/Trump's base. Trump denies saying it. Durban basically calls him a liar.
Repub. leaders quite on this (not shocked at that). He did say Graham pushed back. Maybe I'll go read an essay on how moral the Repub. are. |
that essay is basically just like how the Bible teaches morals, but with a lot of asterixs and the words “except if”.
Do on to others *except if they are gay, poor, or generally unlike you. Help the poor *except if they are___________ Be non violent *except if they live in lands that hold great natural reaouces. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
Trump should google famous immigrants who have made significant contributions in the USA, or maybe he would prefer there never was an Audubon society in the first place; throw that Haitian out.
I agree we need proper vetting, but I would hazard a guess some of these poor immigrants if given the opportunity will work and study their poor butts off and might be that one person who finally comes up with a cure for something we have been searching for for decades. |
I think all of our "Noble" liberals should go one step further. It's not fair if we take their people in, without doing something more to help these sheithole countries. I believe that all of our Noble and caring liberal friends should volunteer to do a 1 for 1 swap with the US, for every person we take in, we send them one highly qualified liberal or socialist to improve the sheithole country that the immigrant came from.
Or even better, also add to this, each immigrant is assigned a loving caring liberal sponsor to help them in their goal at becoming successful members of the community. This would be a win win for everyone. The sheithole countries immigrants can come here and be mentored properly to become contributing Democrat voters. Our caring liberal friends feel better about themselves as they improve a sheithole country. While the rest of us, can sit back and relax knowing that all of our liberal friends are out doing "the greater good" while we care to national defense and the economy |
You need to watch "You've been Trumped" to learn how Trump thinks and how much he cares about others.
Just from another ****hole country, Scotland |
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You guys better get to work if you don't want immigrants.
They typically have more kids. I did my share, I have 5 kids all gainfully employed. Paul Ryan’s recipe for a robust economy: Have more babies https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.cc3963004393 |
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We need to stop giving "handouts" and start giving jobs and opportunity. Want to immigrate to the US, we should have a job site, where people can view jobs and locations, apply for the job, get hired, pass a back ground check and poof, now you are a legal immigrant that is helping the country and not hindering it. We are the "Land of Opportunity", not "Lactation Nation" where we breast feed you from cradle to grave. Try to feed the world and you will end up very dried up and sagging to your knees. Immigration should be connected with employment and opportunity and not based entirely on charity. |
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This thread started out of disgust for the comments made by our super sensitive POTUS, I don't think we were talking about feeding the world. Helping a select group of motivated and smart individuals get out of their sh*thole countries to either help our economy or to get educated to return and help their country is smart and proactive on our part. The more educated and resourceful immigrants we return to help their sh*thole countries, the less of a burden they are to those countries assisting them financially or with relief efforts. |
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If they are immigrating to the US, then yes the jobs should be in the US. |
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Immigration is not based entirely on charity.
https://www.wikihow.com/Immigrate-In...es-Permanently The history behind family based immigration and how immigration works is pretty interesting. If you do some genealogy and find out about your ancestry you might find out that the places they came from are not so nice either. Nobody emigrates because there is too much opportunity. You can find some basics on Wikepedia and move on from there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States |
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I have empathy for everyone born into the 3rd world. That doesn't mean I think we should bring them all here. The ones we do bring, we do so, because of empathy and hope. "You are not clear about what you suggest" I apologize. I'll try to clarify. I suggest that if Trump truly doesn't know why it's noble to bring some people from horrible places here, then he is a bigger jerk than I thought. And I thought he was a pretty big jerk. "Historically, from the inception of this country, immigration "policy" has been very selective " That's exactly true. Until, what, the Kennedy years? "there was no mention of "empathy" in it." Oh. So if the word isn't explicitly stated on an immigration document, then immigration policy cannot be based on empathy? I thought it was kind of obvious. "What he doesn't want is massive thousands (of any kind) immigrating here within a vey short space of time, among whom would be many, if not a majority of those, especially from sh*thole countries, who do not fit the type 'you want" That's not what he said. If he said "I don't want immigrants who won't be good neighbors", no one would take issue with that. No one. That's not what he said. People cannot control what country they are born into. I'm not a huge fan of attacking people for things they did not choose, and have zero control over. "You read racism into what he said" Possibly racist in my opinion. I don't have a history of screaming racism every time someone I disagree with opens his mouth. It takes something to get me to that point. To assume that people from Norway are automatically superior to people from Africa and Haiti, isn't something I like coming out of the mouth of my POTUS. If he runs against Hilary again in 2020, I will once again have his sign on my lawn. But I thought this statement was deeply offensive. I'm not even saying I'm opposed to being more selective in immigration, to bring people who are more likely to thrive and more likely to embrace our culture, I have no problem with that. He just sounded like a eugenicist. Let the liberals worship Margaret Sanger, I don't want that filth where I breathe. |
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I'll start off with my belief that of course we Norske are superior to everyone.
Now that I have that out of the way, I'll move on to the history of family entitlements. As i understand it in the 60s when the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was passed the ability to have your relatives follow you was added. At that time it was thought that would help mostly Europeans. Surprise it didn't work like that. |
I wonder if some of that Clinton Foundation $ found its way to Haiti as it was supposed to if the place would less of a shiithole 👀
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You ask me this website has become a ShiitHole ever since this political forum was added. Not a day goes by there’s no political post & replies and nothing about fishing Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Sometimes this political forum reminds me to much of the comment sections on all the online news sites. The fish don't care who you voted for. I would bet that more than a few fishing friendships or possible friendships have been soured or prevented by this forum alone. |
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The Battle Hymn Of The Republic says, I think, "as He died to make men holy, let us die to set them free". If empathy for people is a valid reason to go to war, surely it's enough of a reason to let some people come here. "Where do you get that he doesn't know why it's noble? " He asked why we are bringing in people from these countries? That tells me, he doesn't currently know why we would want to do it. "If you empathize with chain migration and think it is a noble thing, you're welcome to your opinion. I don't agree with such an opinion." I think I agree with you on that one. Being related to someone who is here, isn't a good enough reason, in and of itself. "it sounds that you and he are more in agreement than disagreement" I would bet you are probably right. I agree with most of his policy agenda. It's just that his choice of wording, is so unnecessarily offensive. Who would deny that Haiti is a sh*thole country? I agree that these are sh*thole countries. They are beyond dysfunctional, horribly run, and causing immeasurable despair. But that's exactly why I want to bring some people from those places. People in Norway aren't tortured to death for speaking against the government, they don't need our help. "You may be giving him more credit than he deserves for being scientifically inclined" You re probably right on that score, as well. The other aspect of this that angers me, is about domestic politics. Because of the economy, and because of which senators are up for re-election in November, what the democrats should be talking about, is whether or not the GOP will win unanimously in November. But because of this guy's inability to keep from saying godawful things, if the elections were today, the democrats would probably re-take the house. I don't want that nutjob Pelosi as speaker of the House again, and Trump is making that more likely, and I just can't stand it. |
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I always find it odd, how it's always someone says they heard or a he said she said crap. I work in the government and every meeting there is someone taking notes or recording the meeting for others to view later. It's just weird to have no record of what was actually said or not.
And besides the point, who cares if he said, shiithole countries. Trump is a capitalist and isnt thinking like a racist, he is purely thinking it is economically smarter to be more careful where we accept the most immigrants from. I have not been to Haiti, but I have been to Peru, Ecuador, Shri Lanka, Papua New Guinea, Malaysia, Philippines, and Indonesia to name a few of the countries that I would call shiithole countries. Many of the people there are great, friendly and hard working, but their government policies and economic hardships make them shiithole countries. I believe that it wouldnt be a bad idea to accept immigrants from all or most all countries, with them all having similar limits on how many. If we have a limit of 500 from Sweden then Mexico should have the same 500 with the same requirements for employability and such. Shiithole countries are not necessarily filled with shiiity people. If we accept them then we should ensure they have the ability to succeed and not just let them all in. By limiting them and making certain requirements we help both them and America. |
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