this mosque thing is blowin up for Barry
I dont have an issue with what he said but it seems like left and right is pissed. The guy cant get a simple message across. He has had to apologize and restate his position more times than any president I can remember. He looks like a goof :uhuh:
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Is it what he said? or just the "Gotcha" media on both sides.
I agree 100% with him on this one. My two points on this: 1. It is not at 'Ground Zero' it is actually several blocks away. Newt et al., make it sound like it is being rebuilt as tower #2! 2. As one of the 9/11 victims husbands put it (paraphrasing), ...the day we start compromising our ideals as a nation, one of them being religious freedom, then the terrorists who carried out those horrific acts have won. Whether I agree or not with this being a perfect site, I love that we live in a country where people are free to do what is their right to do. |
As he keeps P-ing off more and more Americans his credibility gets weaker, his favorable % drops more and now the Gop has a better chance of winning both the house and senate. All we need now is for Biden to add his two cents.
And now Reid is trying to do damage control, but the fire door is jambed in the open position and he is not using the right retardant. |
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I heard someone, a caller to a talk radio program, give a valid suggestion.
They said "Why not have a Multi-faith center at that site?" It would allow ALL religions equal access with no one being dominant or favored. Although the proposed site is 2 blocks away from "ground Zero" it is more a question of sesitivity of the topic. Would it be any more favorable to build a Neo-Nazi museum anywhere near the Holocaust Memorial? No, it would be considered a bad choice because of the emotions attached to the history of the events. The same could be said regarding the mosque location. Once again it's more a case, I believe, of poor judgement. It sounds more and more like the all out selling of America to appease "the terrorist" of the world. You know, an amped up version of the "Can't we all get along/Kumbaya/I love you, you love me." rationalization. Instead of standing for something, we appear to be falling for everything! And that's just not right! |
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Even WSJ is on him now with their op-ed
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It is not the federal government's job to state a position on this either way. Would there be this much outrage and talk about preventing construction if it was a Catholic Church being put up? If not, then the same opinions should apply to a mosque.
The relationship between a bunch of Islamic extremists flying planes into the towers and a mosque wanting to be built down the street shouldn't be considered. |
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so everyone can chill out before going in to pray.:uhuh: |
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its not their job to get involved in Cambridge police business or racial comments at an NAACP meeting |
They have erected a mosque at the site of every great victory.
In a country where you can't say "God" in school or put a baby Jesus on a town common the BS over not allowing a mosque within sight of the graves of thousands killed by Muslims is laughable. You can not defend it. Build it elsewhere. |
How about a Planned Parenthood office too.
This is a very stupid, again, thing. I think it's Bush's fault for not telling him to shut the F* up |
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Serious question. Do you just think all Muslims are terrorists in waiting or are you just not that bright? I don't think that's the case...perhaps just too much FOX and Rush. This applies to Buck as well. -spence |
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Bottom line. Talking points or not...facts are facts. Why build it there????? I guess your the bright bulb on the political forum. We are all better for your wisdom. |
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The only argument I could see is if the Imam leading the effort was a known terrorist sympathizer, but it looks like the opposite seems to be the case. Quote:
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When will you guys learn that debating or even paying attention to this kind of crap is a waste of time?
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Do you really believe it is the right wing pundits that are stirring up anti Islamic sentiment, or maybe we could put the blame where it belongs....on the Muslims that commit these cowardly crimes. God forbid you blame the Islamic radicals for their actions.
Just a question... does anyone know if there is a plan for a shrine or tribute to those killed being planned in this "community center" I would guess no. |
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Timothy McVeigh.... |
do they have the right - yes.
Is it insensitive to do this in that location - I think so, and so do a lot of Americans. What adds on to this is most Americans, including me, do not see the "non - terrorist" muslims being vocal or providing any leadership in the fight against terrorism. So its a one way street - we want the religious freedom to build where we want but we are not with "america" in your fight. If this was a muslim center for understanding or peace or human rights, etc - I think you'd see a different reaction. |
Any Japanese temples at pearl harbor?
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It's been a while since I've seen people attempt to legitimately justify their own bigotry and ignorance.
Hey buck, how about we put all the Muslims in internment camps like they did with the Japanese during WWII?:doh: *Edit* Damn you nebe for beating me to a WWII reference. |
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If you get on a plane with your kids and there are 5 US army soliders (McVeigh was in the military), 5 Irish speaking guys, 5 Nuns or 5 men in islamic garb - tell me that you would have the same safety concerns regardless of the group? If you say yes, you are dumb. I cant put it anymore straightforward than that. I dont worry about sharks when I swim in a lake. My brain has evolved to be able to determine risk based on what I witness and the environment, Its why man is the top of the food chain. Ignoring the overwhelming evidence is counter to evolution. If you entered the terrorist attack data over the last 50 years into a computer and computed the liklihood of "who" would be most likely to commit a terrorist act the data would be OVERWHELMING that it would be muslim. Facts are facts. |
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There's a very vocal part of the Right wing in this country that's absolutely anti-Islam. Of this I don't think there can be much debate. You also have a punditry who will use "tolerance" issues to attack Liberals in the political area for short-term gain. There's also plenty of condemnation for acts of "terrorism" all around. I'd note that you say the "Muslims" that commit these crimes and not the "terrorists" that commit this crimes? As for a shrine, once again you're lumping terrorists with mainstream Muslims. It's almost as if you believe they should feel guilty for 9/11. The irony in all of this is that it's exactly what Bin Laden had hoped to achieve. Americans taking away the rights of Muslims in the US because of their faith. And then you wonder why there's such anti-US sentiment in the Islamic world... -spence |
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People believe it is insensitive to do this in that area. I would think Muslims would understand, no? I mean they (and this is NOT RADICALS) have made death threats for cartoon artisits and writers. they require their woman to cover their faces. they must undertstand emotions, no? |
Obama shouldn't have a stance or an opinion on this either way. If he does, it should not be public. Seperation of church and state.
We don't hear his opinion on construction of churchs or temples. |
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Should we declare Manhatten a "Muslim Free Zone" because it might scare somebody into believing there's going to be another attack...ANY SECOND? During the recession you saw a lot more women from the Middle East shopping in Boston, some covered head to toe with only a slit for the eyes exposed. I'd have to think this made some people more than a little nervous what with 9/11 and all. Should we ban that as well? You're on the slippery slope. -spence |
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Bottom line in all of this is that he made a comment on something without the White House having any idea he was going to. Then, when he realized that the publicity to his comments was negative, he decided to try to talk his way out of it. This made the story much bigger than it should be because he looks weak or indecisive for his flip-flop. Personally, I think it's great. The negative press should have been on the Palins and Gingrich's of the world, yet Obama's taking the brunt of it. I't's like the Cambridge police situation. |
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There is no "simply". It is understandable. |
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Politically it may have not been the best thing to do as it's opened up a can of worms, but that's a different issue. -spence |
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flip-flop noun (plural flip-flops) Definition: 1. dress backless sandal: a backless foam-rubber sandal with a V-shaped strap secured between the toes and at the sides of the foot ( informal ) 2. North America change of mind: a change of opinion, especially by a politician ( informal ) |
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Further more the Taliban is in the White House. |
will women be allowed to attend the trophy mosque?...or will they have to enter with the children through a small hatch in a back alley and worship in the basement with the livestock?
Police remove Muslim women from US mosque for breaking segregation rules Police were called by an imam conducting a rug-butting session attended by around 20 men after Fatima Thompson, a convert to Islam, entered the male-only area with five “progressive” supporters. The imam interrupted prayers to announce by microphone: We are going to wait, because some people came to disturb the prayer, until the police come and take care of this issue. Within minutes, three police officers arrived and told the women to leave or face arrest. Washington police enforcing sharia law? Who woulda thunk it? Thompson, who converted to Islam 18 years ago, said: Wooden barriers have to be taken down and women have to be allowed to join, to pray behind the men in the main praying area. That’s our request. She added: We are against gender segregation, against the fact that women are put aside or in a totally different room at the mosque. The Sunday protest was the second time women have sought to share the main prayer area at the mosque in Washington DC, after a group of women first tried in February. Thompson said. The general issue we are pushing is gender segregation and the ramifications it fosters. It’s not healthy, and not reflective of our society here. It’s very reflective of very restrictive, ultra orthodox societies. Their hair covered with headscarves, the group entered the mosque’s prayer area via the main door usually reserved for men. Women and children ordinarily enter the Washington mosque, located in the city’s embassy district, through a small door hidden behind a screen. Asra Nomani, a Muslim feminist who has participated in similar protests elsewhere in the United States, said: If you are black in this country they can’t tell you to sit in a corner but if you are a woman they can. The source of contention, according to Bare Naked Islam, is a small room created with seven foot high wooden walls. Jannah B’int Hannah describes how she feels in there where she cannot see the imam, or leader of the mosque, speak. Boxed in, stifling, suffocating and totally a second class citizen. Last month, Hannah and approximately 20 other women entered the main hall to pray, but D C police were called. They asked them to leave or be arrested. Syed Burmi, the imam of Islamic Society of Western Maryland, says the physical separation helps maintain women’s privacy and modesty as well as keeps the focus on prayer. "If I stand next to a lady or a woman stands next to me, maybe the focus will change and no longer be on God the Almighty. So that’s why we put the partition". |
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