55 gallon drum of morphine
 

thats what ya need sitting in your garage
when ya have a friggan kidney stone...

talk about PAIN....
i aged a whole year in a single weekend.

i was x-rayed ,cat scanned ,examined and prescribed.

luckilly no cats ..not even kittens were found inside me.:bl:

i have been hit by a car...thrown 200 feet from my car,
stung by a hundred hornets,tumbled down a mountain
with a hot tail pipe of a motorcycle burning me all the way,
smashed by a landslide of rocks....bitten by fire ants
you name it...

and nothing compares to this pain.... nothing..
those of you who have had one ...know exactly what
i'm talking about... because it's off the scale....

it's a man's version of having a baby.... oh- my- god!...

i was almost tearing up the leather on the hospital bed
until they finally got the friggan I.V. in me and injected narcotics...
what an experience that is.... :hs:

i am so wiped out..... it 's rediculous .....:sleeps:

My 10 year old daughter is dealing with one. She spent 3 days in the hospital to get a tube placed in her kidney to drain it out(stone is blocking the tube between her kidney and her bladder). She had a sonic shock treatment Friday to try and break it up, and we're waithing for it to pass. She doesn't seem to be in much pain(yet) but I know what's coming. I really feel for you. I wouldn't wish these things on anybody.

My wife just went thru it and still is having problems, It happened the Friday I left for Cuttyhunk the 8th of Sept. and there was no way for me to get home and help. she told me to stay and fish what a trooper

I feel your pain.. try it in conjunction with a bout of Acute Diviticulitis... double whammy..almost a week in hell this past winter...
Tony S came and saw me every day.. he told me later he thought I was gonna die..just from the way I looked.. no fun...put as my Mom would say.. this too, shall pass...

I feel yer pain.
I passed what they called "gravel" quite a few years back. I will never forget that all nighter as long as I live. Would not wish it on anyone.Thank god for the demerol back then to help with the renal colic or acute spasms or whatever they called them, but they wouldnt give me the stuff til all the xrays came back, which seemed like forever.

Feel better Raven. You survived one of the most severe pains known to humans. It builds charachter.:musc:

4:00 am
 

i'm back in pain again....dammit...will get more percasets by 8 am... just took some oxycodiene's ...holding an ice pack to my belly....

kidney stones are a precipitate of calcium...so to prevent the stones from happening you need to alter your bodies ph back to slightly acidic... (as they form when your ph is too alkaline)with apple cider vinegar, honey and water or mixed with welches grape juice.
1 tablespoon of each.... mixed together then mix it with water or the grape juice....which will help disolve the stone...as it returns the calcium (stone) back into solution. i'm drinking it now.

I'm not a doctor, but I do work in the pharma industry. There are drugs waaaay more powerful than oxycodone/tylenol (percoset) - maybe your doctor could help you out a little?

Good luck.

Raven,

I get kidney stones every year, I get a script of "Tramadol" from my doc, pain is gone in an hour and no side effets.

Hell you can even go back fishing and wait for the stone to pass.

I wasn't that lucky this year though, the doc had to go get the stone ... and guess where they go in to get it? OOOWWWWWW!!!!!

went thru agony
 

again for four hours this mornin til the hydrocodone finally kicked in....

talk about climbing the walls literally... but all of these nasty narcotics make me have nausea so i am also takin promethazine to control the urge to be ill from the meds... but at least i'm able to get some relief now. otherwise it's pure hell....

that sucks teaser
 

every year! wow... thats not good... my stone is small...3 centimeters i think the cat-scan revealed according to the hospital doc...

i could go fishin today but i'm too incapacitated (woosey) to drive...

i'll talk to my primary physcian about that prescription and thanks for the tip. these drugs suck but at least they're workin...phew!

thanks for the support everyone.... very much appreciated.

here's wishing ya well shaman!

i have been hit by a car...thrown 200 feet from my car,
stung by a hundred hornets,tumbled down a mountain
with a hot tail pipe of a motorcycle burning me all the way,
smashed by a landslide of rocks....bitten by fire ants
you name it...




-Note to self. Never stand next to Raven. ;)

Hopefully you never need back surgery. Stones suck and are painful but nothing compares to disk issues in your back. Pass that stone and get back to living!

Hope ya feel betta soon Rav, you've had a tough year. :(

Your luck is about to change. :)

Raven;
hang in. It will get better. I speak from experience. Shot 3 different times in Nam in 66/67. Broken back in 77.
Open heart Quad bypass in 2003 and now this Bladder cancer with Chemo to boot.

"If it doesn't kill you, it will make you stronger"

thanks guys
 

see....i would never have known about
a different prescription like tramadol
if not for S-B members....

i hope to be fishin by the weekend....
->thats my goal...

wow Paul....3 times shot....
you ought to know....

i like getting stronger.... :drool:

Now with all the narcs you will not be able to take a healthy dump for a week, grab some stool softeners. I feel for ya been there done that :wid: :happy:

Raven, been there my friend. Work through the pain. Drink lots of water - if you can walk around try to rather than stay cooped up in the house.

Save the stone when it passes so the doc can figure out what it is. More likely than not it will be calcium oxalate. Adjustments to your diet can prevent future recurrences (unfortunately if you get one youre likely to get more down the road).

thanks ben, JPI ,ah
 

this is actually my second stone.....experience....
the first one was in the springtime....
and you spend the whole night taking a hot showers...
and i had no clue what the intense pain was from...:huh:
thinking it was perhaps just plumbing problems...

and yeah thats what the narcotics you take do to ya...
they lock up the back door... bigtime
so for breakfast i had just some mirabela papaya....
i have to eat all easy to digest stuff..
that won't produce any gas...

sent the wife to the pharmacy last night
for a better back door key (docusate sodium)

and that makes a world of difference....

i almost went back to the hospital again last night because i was
back into the intense agony again ....pacing ,groaning, moaning
and there is absolutely no escape......

you "feel like your gonna die"...and you almost want to
....to end the torment and misery.....
it's that bad....
everyone saying: "for a man it's like having a baby"...:uhuh:
and the meds just- wouldn't- kick -in

today i feel pretty good....but i'm real weak from the trauma
...so i'll get some much needed
fresh air ,sunshine and do some mowing out back which
is starting to get ahead of me...

this has been a life changing experience for me
to say the least......
and my diet will be forever changed....
my belly is now half the size it was...
so i figure i've been ill for almost 5 months.:sick:

Raven,

I can't forget the first time. I doubled over suddenly in pain and thought somebody had stabbed me in the back.

The pain was so bad that I ended up throwing up on the car ride to the ER.

I came in grasping my side. Nurse said, so you look like you have a kidney stone. :rotfl:

ben
 

i'll be seeing my primary Doc in the morning

and she had better know her meds...or she's fired.

but now, i am fully at war with my body....and i am ripshiit.

this is my own 9-11 plane crash into my kidney's and i'll be
a kidney stone expert before i'm finished.
or at least how to radically change all my dietary habbits so
that i'll never have to experience this again...

i have never before been so devastated by an experience as this
and i am at war...with alkalinity and digestion, the whole nine yards.

Oh man Rav, feel betta soon. :)

Raven, ask you doc for a script of Tramadol 25 mg.

These little pills are the best thing since sliced bread, they don't make you grogy or feel stupid at all, and to add to the benefits it won't bind you up at all.

Take with or without food every 4-6 hours or as needed.

My last episode with stones was one at 5 centimeters and two about 3 centimeters big at the same time, I passed the two smaller ones in 3 days but they had to go in and get the 5 centimeter stone, wasn't pretty at all. Pretty embarassing when the nurse comes in to remove the shunt, grabs hold of your little friend and says this won't hurt, lean back and take a deep breath ... OW!

Everyone used to tell me to drink cranberry juice to help pass them but my doc who is one of the best from Boston said " DO NOT " drink cranberry juice, it is one of the leading causes of stones and can and will make a stone grow bigger if you have one, and if you don't have one then they tend to promote the growth of one.

Soda is also on the list but is okay in moderation, but any kind of berry juice will promote them.

I have Robert Lang as my urologist and he practiced in Boston for 10 years before moving down my way for the last 15, he's also one of my customers so I keep his cell number on speed dial for when my ususal events arise and I'm in need.

Did they tell you where the stone was caught? The kidney is harder to pass a stone from because it has to go up before it can come down and the tube hurts just as much but a 3 centimeter stone should pass within a couple of days unless its one of those "stag-horned" stones, they look like deer antlers growing out of a rock.

Good luck and drink plenty of fluids.

I brought my kids friend to the hospital with that about a year ago. I thought he was going to die in my car.

cranberry juice is bad for kidney stones - its good for urinary track infections. Up your water intake, which they say is the most important thing.

I feel your pain
 

Raven:

Thats sucks BIG TIME.

I had the same in the spring. I was driving home from work and it hit like a freight train. I nearly did'nt make it to the driveway. Went to the ER and they took me right in, I guess my screaming in the waiting room was upsetting the other people !!!!! I didn't have a clue what it was. I thought I was going to friggin die it hurt so bad. Then it sucked when i realized I wasn't going to die and had to live with the pain. The IV pain meds were great, then home with Percocets helped, but my whole life came to a halt until it was over.

Lasted for about 2 weeks, I even had to have a "procedure" to remove it, but I think it had passed by then. He did it anyway to make sure there weren't more in there. OUCH !!!!!

Once it passed within a day I felt great. I was completely back to normal.
It was like a light switch going on and off.

Get well soon buddy.....

Doc (Urologist) told me there was no reason for it happening and no way to prevent it from happening again.
No dietary changes no nuthin. I don't know. I don't care as long as I NEVER get one again.

it's funny
 

Doc (Urologist) told me there was no reason for it happening and no way to prevent it from happening again.
No dietary changes no nuthin. I don't know. I don't care as long as I NEVER get one again.

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when i spoke to the attending doc at the hospital about PH and how
calcium goes into a precipitate in an akaline medium she really had no concept of the whole idea which i found to be startling. and then i said in an sightly acid medium the one thats best for the body a precipitate (read calcium stone) will go back into a solution....she was equally clueless.

i am now temporarilly a fruitarian and feeling much better fast....
even though i have a long road ahead of me.... for sure.

interesting about the cranberry...
 

i have been drinking carrot juice instead and distilled 100% aloe vera liquid

this one had like moose antlers and then there was a little grey one with a bushy tail,,, they said :grins:

no really...a great suggestion on the tramadol so i got the prescription today...cuz i told her: :chatter hey i had to drive here on a
perc and that aint cool at all... and she says...i didnt just hear that.. plus i need to be running the chainsaw...besides..

stones caught in the kidney just below a little hump of fibers in front of the door out.... so i reckon :huh: i should just stand on my head.

oh yeah
 

i forgot to mention i had one in spring too....but didnt know what it could be and just toughed it out...only took one day... i lived.

2nd time: i then new i had a serious condition developing and took it
much more seriously...

i tend to be very pro-active with my health solutions
and sometimes thats thought to be an act of non -cooperation
by Doctors as aposed to someone wanting to take an active role
in their own road back to health.

and here's why
 

the Raven is on the hunt...the game is afoot Watson

Orange juice, researchers found, boosted the levels of citrate in the urine and reduced the crystallization of uric acid and calcium oxalate — the most frequently found ingredient in kidney stones.

But lemonade did not increase the levels of citrate, an important acid neutralizer and inhibitor of kidney stone formation.

"One reason might be the different constituents of various beverages," Dr. Odvina said.

For instance, the citrate in orange and grapefruit juice is accompanied by a potassium ion while the citrate in lemonade and cranberry juice is accompanied by a hydrogen ion. Ions of hydrogen, but not potassium, counteract the beneficial effects of the high citrate content.

for the benefit of others
 

more info:

Your chance of developing another stone is greatly reduced if you:

• drink plenty of fluid - at least two litres daily (water is readily available, no prescription needed, very cheap)
• take care not to eat too much calcium. You should eat no more than 300 (big cup)ml of milk + 50 g of cheese + either an ice cream or ½ cup of yogurt every day
• watch your oxalate intake. You should eat no more than one serving of rhubarb + six slices of beetroot + two servings of either silverbeet, spinach or puha every day
• avoid excessive salt intake as it increases urine calcium excretion
• eat meat in moderation. Meat is the most important cause of increased calcium and uric acid excretion. Excessive intake (very common amongst men) should be avoided
• dietary assessment and modification must be done by a dietician. People must understand the reasons for the dietary advice and be encouraged to make a life long commitment
• drugs may be advised for specific conditions.

Rav, no way am i given up my puha. :doh:

yeah i wondered
 

puha wtf is it?

i been reading about the importance of magnesium

total dietary changes... i need to switch over to more shellfish
now... to take advantage of the magnesium in them.
did ya hear that clammah?

red meats out... the key is limiting the uric acid from combining with
oxilic acid to form a stone... can't even spell i'm so tired...:uhuh:

i have many of the vitamin therapies selected.. and a huge
working plan for my war... move over ---- Rumsfeld...

goin to home depot to get bottled water (done)
buying lemons grapefruit (ruby red) and O.J. (done)
reducing my dairy intake to lower amount (done)
buying 20 pounds of carrots for juicing (made some) vitamin A
never eating chocolate again (done) bye bye oxacilic acid ..
will be making chlorophyll drinks because
it's high in magnesium
aloe vera water remedy (bought it )
golden seal (always used it)
catching and eating more fish (excuse to have fun)
so since i'll be consuming mass quantities (conehead lol)
of liquids...8 ounces per hour i'll be peeing like a race horse
and since fats water soluable...bye bye fat cells meaning
i'll loose desired weight as well... sounds like a plan.:jump:

wow dave!
 

you actually changed your Avatar...you've had for years

i'm amazed,,,, even for a neanderthal....lol

its a cool one too

Are they extinct now Rav.???????

Change is good, change is not good. :huh:

Blame it all on Karl. :rotf2:

Hey raven,

How's the Tramadol working for you?

What milligram did you get?

Keep us posted on the outcome of the rocky situation.

thanks teaser
 

the doc almost scoffed when i told her.... :rolleyes:

but i got the 50 milligram tramadol

and was able to switch off of the percs...
thankgod...for that !b-cuz that stuff is nasty...

and i'm in no pain...eating alot of pineapple
drinking OJ like it's free...and doing so much
better than before....a little weak (woosey)
from the whole experience still from sleepless nights
but bouncing back quite nicely.:bl:
thanks very much for that info on tramadol!

Great news Rav, Great news. :)

JPI
 

puha appears to be a name for a green vegetable that grows in new zealand...
it probably has the same compound in it that spinach does.
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i bought like 40 bucks worth of vitamins today
kiwi -fruit for enzymes/ plus fresh vit. C
drank some thick super food green beverage chock full of spirulina
had fresh (frozen ) sugar snap peas for green food tonight with
some jumbo scallops (for magnesium) and steak fried taters
followed by pineapple yogurt over fresh cut pineapple.

basicly the kick your kidneys ass dinner special. :uhuh:
so...with that kind of appetite .... i'm doing fine :cheers:

but i won't be drinkin beer for a long time.