Burning the Koran
 

I heard on the radio that a church in Florida will be burning the Koran this weekend. Remember when someone died over drawing a picture of Muhammad? I wonder what the reaction will be to this? Gen. Petraeus said it will put troops in harms way. Freedom of speech is very important but this might not be a good idea.

with an eye for an eye, the whole world goes blind

The dude who runs the church is a pedophile.

It's an interesting story all around.

Burning the Koran on 9/11 is just idiotic (unless you're crazy), and for P-Daddy to make a public comment warning of it's consequences is quite interesting, but hey, he is a bit of a politician.

I do agree this action will be used to incite people to violence against the West.

As ugly as the event is I do support their right to do it, but it doesn't pass the stupid test. Hell, they're even "praying" what their doing is the right thing.

There is an element of "shouting fire in a movie theater" that shouldn't be ignored.

Many (most) states also don't allow people to ride motorcycles without a helmet.

If it does happen and it's a big story, it wouldn't surprise me if Obama publicly condemns the event. While this may seem odd it's probably the right thing to do.

-spence

Burn it! :jump1: Burn it! :jump1: Burn it! :jump1:

We just lost two soldiers today without burning the f@#$@!#$^% thing. And we are going to lose more if we do not burn it anyway. Do you think they are going to stop killing our soldiers if it does not get burnt? Those of you that think that, are simple minded people.

The citizenry of this country had better stand up to the cowards of Islam. Are you going to be like the jews of world war 2? They walked into the showers to be gased and into the ovens without a fight. Are Americans going to let them slimmy BAS@#$%$ slit you from ear to ear?

Semper Fi :)

More proof that this country is screwed.

And I'm sure you agree that it is okay for them to burn our flag.

Burn the Koran! :uhuh: Burn it! :uhuh: Burn it! :uhuh:

I already filed this under "idiotic".

-spence

I feel sorry for people like you
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Burn everything

lets start with nebe's reefer stash

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nebe doesn't smoke

burnin it W&B

I agree with what you are saying Spence. Same could be said for a mosque 2 blocks from ground zero.

This "church" and it's pastor are not Christians by any definition.

If Obama publicly condemn it, isnt he
- violating the separation of church and state? its not of his business what goes on in a church unless its a federal crime.
- failing to uphold the constitution? Isnt it the constiutional right for this church to burn the koran? there are no laws against it.

This is interesting and as usual I view this differently than most. I'll use the same argument I used for the Muhammed cartoon. I watch South Park all the time. They routinely have Jesus on their and make fun of various religions. yet, you have no death threats, not massive boycotts, no public outrage. yet you have that when a newspaper has a cartoon pic of Muhammed. from who? Muslims.
If we are about treating people equally and their rights, why should/do we treat muslims differently? If this guys burns the korans he shows the world he has no respect for other religions and cultures. If Muslims react, they show the world they dont believe in others freedoms of expression and if they react violently, that they are barbaric people. Unfortunately this will only reinforce what western culture already thinks of them. As Spence said, interesting
Its our country, our laws, our freedom , we should do as we see fit.
Muslims may not like him burning it, but he has the right. NYC residents may not like a mosque near ground zero, but they have a right to build it. No one said this is easy.

Funny, the pilgrims settled in Boston to escape religious persecution, when the Quakers came in, they hanged some and drove others out for not practicing the same religion as them. Aint religion great?

Wouldn't they only be blind in one eye? Unless of course they only had one eye to begin with. Not like a cyclops, but more like a pirate with an eyepatch.

Aint religion great?
I'm all for "burning" it...and all the other "books" and the tax breaks that go with em.
And Nebe's stash too...I'll even help with that!

they burned Beatle records and memorabilia after Lennon proclaimed they were more popular than Jesus.

maybe Islam thinks it more popular than Jesus too!

No you don't....that's pretty much how I see it.....

Actually....it is. I'm pretty sure there are more Muslims than Christians in the world

Smart to do? NOT!!


We allow the burning of the flag, what could possibly be more offensive than that?

If we ban the Koran burning we set a precedent to ban any and all freedoms of speech.

It's just plain wrong.

We want our feelings respected on the building of the Mosque
near the 16 acres of the hallowed 9/11 ground and need to
respect their Koran.

Again a very small radical group gives a bad name to the larger.

me too...

However I have no problem with Petrus et al stating the obvious, either.

The church reminds me of the bible literalists in WV/KY area. scary group that doesn't represent all Christians...

No, not really. Well, I'm sure the Pastor would violently agree with you. At least you both have that in common.

-spence

I don't think there's any law prohibiting from the President from speaking his mind.

Interesting comment I read yesterday, they said that many people some countries simply can't grasp our First Amendment rights or why Obama can't just stop the burning with a simple order.

-spence

I violently disagree:smash:

The Muslims will handle this in their own way..... behead the Pastor.

Quotes added for emphasis. Another thing on which you and the Pastor would probably agree.

What some don't seem to get is that this whole thing is like a (really complicated) Chinese Finger Trap, and people like you and Fly are just pulling as hard as they can.

-spence

I don't see what the big deal is. The church has a Constitutionally protected right to freedom of expression and Islam is a peaceful religion -at least that's what they try to tell us.

I don't remember the South being blown up by Christians when the KKK burned crosses on the lawns of Black people.

It's close but I believe it's something like, about a quarter of the world is Muslim, while a third is some form of Christian.

http://www.adherents.com/images/rel_pie.gif

All stupid people with stupid books that they faun over.
Maybe they'll set each other on fire instead.

And if we release the pressure everything will be beautiful in the world???

Jews are "other"??? Who did this chart?

Put on your glasses.
Its the group smaller than "other".

f this dude.

Yeh, within the letter of the law he might be legal, hence the current predicament. Funny (not really) how the Taliban can murder young girls going to school and state religous views support such unconscionable acts yet burn a book ??

Religion of peace my arse. I would like to see / hear / read more serious denunciation of the acts of Al Quaeda by prominent Islamic leaders but we don't really get that now do we.

Still, the stupidity of this burning is enormous. And it will cost lives. And it is wholly unnecessary and stupid.

I do, however, reserve the right to draw Mohammed.














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Damn, such a fuss over such a small piece of the pie.:)

the saddest part of all of this to me is that the "main" reason most feel its a bad idea is because we "fear" that muslims will retaliate and somehow hurt innocent people or our troops. That stands against everything I believe. You may think this pastor is a wacko - but the REAL reason Americans have fought and died is for freedom and our constitutional rights. Americans should not fear retaliation for individual actions they perform under the law. IMHO - fear is all the terrorists have, and if we give into it, they win.
They won with the Dutch newspaper, they won in Spain (train bombing/Iraq pullout).

Ask yourself, do you truly beleive in this - ""I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,"

Isnt that what makes our country great?

oh boy - just read CNN and looks like once again the Big O let me down.

I love this -
Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari said anyone who thought of such a despicable act must be suffering from a diseased mind and a sickly soul, said spokesman Farhatullah Babar.

Zardari said it will inflame sentiments among Muslims throughout the world and cause irreparable damage to interfaith harmony and world peace.

All because someone burned a book? So spence - tell me how I dont understand muslims? Based on the above, they are superstitious, uncivilized religious wackos. Sorry, they only lose respect from me the more I learn. Im going to have a cheesburger at lunch, I really hope it doesnt disturb world peace when I insult the hindus!

Hell even South Park caved in like pussies.

I thinking you're making a gross generalization.

There are a lot of Muslims in the US and other parts of the World that while disgusted aren't going to pick up arms over this.

The issue is, and has always been, the areas where mainstream meets the fringe that feed extremism. Often this is in poor areas, although that doesn't mean the interests of the impoverished are limited just to the poor. There's certainly is a lot of mistrust of the West in many Islamic nations, which from a certain perspective on many issues is understandable.

Actions that reinforce this mistrust will almost certainly be used to stoke the flames by the fringe to embolden their position. Even many moderates will be let down by the perceived affront. Hence my comment earlier about the Chinese Finger Trap.

Does this mean we should be held captive by political correctness?

Absolutely not, but it also means we shouldn't loose sight of common sense either. A "stunt" such as this has no real value but has the potential to cause real harm. It's a shame that the story was ever covered in the first place. Let the bigots bask in their hate and it would have all passed over.

But the genie is out of the lamp and it must be addressed.

-spence

we have thriving US Nazi groups - Is Israel chanting death to america?
We eat beef - are Hindus rioting in protest?
We have satanic churches - Is the Vatican threatening retaliation?

We are only worried about offending one religious group. Why? They blow themselves up and they behead people. Thats nuts.

Because we're at war in two Islamic nations, Islamic nations are in proximity to many of the World's hot spots, Islamic nations hold much of the Global energy reserves and Islamic nations suffer from a lot of poverty and political oppression.

Geopolitcs have evolved for this to be the case, and we're a big player in the production.

This isn't rocket science.

-spence

you're wrong ( again)

- "You could have serious violence in places like Pakistan or Afghanistan" as a result of the proposal by the Gainesville, Florida-based Dove World Outreach Center, Obama said on ABC's "Good Morning America."

- The diplomat warned that if Florida Pastor Terry Jones goes ahead with his plans to burn copies of the Quran, it will set off a massive reaction in parts of the Muslim world.


- Hundreds of angry Afghans burned an American flag and chanted "Death to the Christians" on Thursday to protest plans by a small American church to torch copies of the Muslim holy book on the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

- "If Quran is burned it would be beginning of destruction of America," read one English-language banner held up by the protesters, who chanted "Down with America!"

- Iran's Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki also warned of repercussions, saying the burning would "face reactions by the world's Muslims as well as followers of other religions," according to the official IRNA news agency.


gross generalization Spence?

One would think that when we say we are right and they are wrong, that by buring a bunch of copies of the koran, we are lowering ourselves right down to their level..

The guy who is doing this is what i would think we can safely call a religious extremist.