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Old 09-07-2010, 05:48 PM   #1
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Burning the Koran

I heard on the radio that a church in Florida will be burning the Koran this weekend. Remember when someone died over drawing a picture of Muhammad? I wonder what the reaction will be to this? Gen. Petraeus said it will put troops in harms way. Freedom of speech is very important but this might not be a good idea.

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Old 09-07-2010, 05:58 PM   #2
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Old 09-07-2010, 06:08 PM   #3
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The dude who runs the church is a pedophile.

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Old 09-07-2010, 06:22 PM   #4
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It's an interesting story all around.

Burning the Koran on 9/11 is just idiotic (unless you're crazy), and for P-Daddy to make a public comment warning of it's consequences is quite interesting, but hey, he is a bit of a politician.

I do agree this action will be used to incite people to violence against the West.

As ugly as the event is I do support their right to do it, but it doesn't pass the stupid test. Hell, they're even "praying" what their doing is the right thing.

There is an element of "shouting fire in a movie theater" that shouldn't be ignored.

Many (most) states also don't allow people to ride motorcycles without a helmet.

If it does happen and it's a big story, it wouldn't surprise me if Obama publicly condemns the event. While this may seem odd it's probably the right thing to do.

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Old 09-07-2010, 06:57 PM   #5
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Burn it! Burn it! Burn it!

We just lost two soldiers today without burning the f@#$@!#$^% thing. And we are going to lose more if we do not burn it anyway. Do you think they are going to stop killing our soldiers if it does not get burnt? Those of you that think that, are simple minded people.

The citizenry of this country had better stand up to the cowards of Islam. Are you going to be like the jews of world war 2? They walked into the showers to be gased and into the ovens without a fight. Are Americans going to let them slimmy BAS@#$%$ slit you from ear to ear?

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Old 09-07-2010, 07:13 PM   #6
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Burn it! Burn it! Burn it!
More proof that this country is screwed.

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Old 09-07-2010, 07:21 PM   #7
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More proof that this country is screwed.
And I'm sure you agree that it is okay for them to burn our flag.

Burn the Koran! Burn it! Burn it!
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Old 09-07-2010, 07:35 PM   #8
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More proof that this country is screwed.
I already filed this under "idiotic".

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Old 09-07-2010, 08:40 PM   #9
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And I'm sure you agree that it is okay for them to burn our flag.

Burn the Koran! Burn it! Burn it!
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Old 09-08-2010, 04:28 AM   #10
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Burn everything

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It's an interesting story all around.

Burning the Koran on 9/11 is just idiotic (unless you're crazy), and for P-Daddy to make a public comment warning of it's consequences is quite interesting, but hey, he is a bit of a politician.

I do agree this action will be used to incite people to violence against the West.

As ugly as the event is I do support their right to do it, but it doesn't pass the stupid test. Hell, they're even "praying" what their doing is the right thing.

There is an element of "shouting fire in a movie theater" that shouldn't be ignored.

Many (most) states also don't allow people to ride motorcycles without a helmet.

If it does happen and it's a big story, it wouldn't surprise me if Obama publicly condemns the event. While this may seem odd it's probably the right thing to do.

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I agree with what you are saying Spence. Same could be said for a mosque 2 blocks from ground zero.

This "church" and it's pastor are not Christians by any definition.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:14 AM   #13
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If it does happen and it's a big story, it wouldn't surprise me if Obama publicly condemns the event. While this may seem odd it's probably the right thing to do.

-spence
If Obama publicly condemn it, isnt he
- violating the separation of church and state? its not of his business what goes on in a church unless its a federal crime.
- failing to uphold the constitution? Isnt it the constiutional right for this church to burn the koran? there are no laws against it.

This is interesting and as usual I view this differently than most. I'll use the same argument I used for the Muhammed cartoon. I watch South Park all the time. They routinely have Jesus on their and make fun of various religions. yet, you have no death threats, not massive boycotts, no public outrage. yet you have that when a newspaper has a cartoon pic of Muhammed. from who? Muslims.
If we are about treating people equally and their rights, why should/do we treat muslims differently? If this guys burns the korans he shows the world he has no respect for other religions and cultures. If Muslims react, they show the world they dont believe in others freedoms of expression and if they react violently, that they are barbaric people. Unfortunately this will only reinforce what western culture already thinks of them. As Spence said, interesting
Its our country, our laws, our freedom , we should do as we see fit.
Muslims may not like him burning it, but he has the right. NYC residents may not like a mosque near ground zero, but they have a right to build it. No one said this is easy.

Funny, the pilgrims settled in Boston to escape religious persecution, when the Quakers came in, they hanged some and drove others out for not practicing the same religion as them. Aint religion great?

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Old 09-08-2010, 09:03 AM   #14
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Wouldn't they only be blind in one eye? Unless of course they only had one eye to begin with. Not like a cyclops, but more like a pirate with an eyepatch.

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Aint religion great?
I'm all for "burning" it...and all the other "books" and the tax breaks that go with em.
And Nebe's stash too...I'll even help with that!
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:49 AM   #16
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they burned Beatle records and memorabilia after Lennon proclaimed they were more popular than Jesus.

maybe Islam thinks it more popular than Jesus too!
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:38 AM   #17
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If Obama publicly condemn it, isnt he
- violating the separation of church and state? its not of his business what goes on in a church unless its a federal crime.
- failing to uphold the constitution? Isnt it the constiutional right for this church to burn the koran? there are no laws against it.

This is interesting and as usual I view this differently than most.
No you don't....that's pretty much how I see it.....

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maybe Islam thinks it more popular than Jesus too!
Actually....it is. I'm pretty sure there are more Muslims than Christians in the world

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Old 09-08-2010, 10:54 AM   #18
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We allow the burning of the flag, what could possibly be more offensive than that?

If we ban the Koran burning we set a precedent to ban any and all freedoms of speech.

Its not up to the courts to invent new minorities that get special protections, Antonin Scalia
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It's just plain wrong.

We want our feelings respected on the building of the Mosque
near the 16 acres of the hallowed 9/11 ground and need to
respect their Koran.

Again a very small radical group gives a bad name to the larger.

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No you don't....that's pretty much how I see it.....
me too...

However I have no problem with Petrus et al stating the obvious, either.

The church reminds me of the bible literalists in WV/KY area. scary group that doesn't represent all Christians...

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Same could be said for a mosque 2 blocks from ground zero.
No, not really. Well, I'm sure the Pastor would violently agree with you. At least you both have that in common.

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If Obama publicly condemn it, isnt he
- violating the separation of church and state? its not of his business what goes on in a church unless its a federal crime.
- failing to uphold the constitution? Isnt it the constiutional right for this church to burn the koran? there are no laws against it.
I don't think there's any law prohibiting from the President from speaking his mind.

Interesting comment I read yesterday, they said that many people some countries simply can't grasp our First Amendment rights or why Obama can't just stop the burning with a simple order.

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No, not really. Well, I'm sure the Pastor would violently agree with you. At least you both have that in common.

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I violently disagree

The Muslims will handle this in their own way..... behead the Pastor.
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"The Muslims" will handle this in their own way..... behead the Pastor.
Quotes added for emphasis. Another thing on which you and the Pastor would probably agree.

What some don't seem to get is that this whole thing is like a (really complicated) Chinese Finger Trap, and people like you and Fly are just pulling as hard as they can.

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I don't see what the big deal is. The church has a Constitutionally protected right to freedom of expression and Islam is a peaceful religion -at least that's what they try to tell us.

I don't remember the South being blown up by Christians when the KKK burned crosses on the lawns of Black people.

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Actually....it is. I'm pretty sure there are more Muslims than Christians in the world
It's close but I believe it's something like, about a quarter of the world is Muslim, while a third is some form of Christian.
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It's close but I believe it's something like, about a quarter of the world is Muslim, while a third is some form of Christian.


All stupid people with stupid books that they faun over.
Maybe they'll set each other on fire instead.

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Quotes added for emphasis. Another thing on which you and the Pastor would probably agree.

What some don't seem to get is that this whole thing is like a (really complicated) Chinese Finger Trap, and people like you and Fly are just pulling as hard as they can.

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And if we release the pressure everything will be beautiful in the world???
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All stupid people with stupid books that they faun over.
Maybe they'll set each other on fire instead.
Jews are "other"??? Who did this chart?
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Jews are "other"??? Who did this chart?
Put on your glasses.
Its the group smaller than "other".

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