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Bush's legacy...hero to zero?
I remember 9/11 like it was yesterday. In particular, I remember the "W" address to our nation from atop a smoking pile of rubble and ensuing response the US made. He seemd like a hero to me at the time.
On the eve of the "W" farewell address, I feel like once again he's standing atop a smoking pile of (literal) rubble. He's got a big pair of donkey ears now instead of a megaphone. Anyone else feel this way, and how will you remember him? |
He will be remembered as a complete tool who chose to guide this country based on Ideals Vs. rational thought. Furthermore, the ones who held his puppet strings as he chased rabbits while the farm burned are laughing themselves right to the bank.
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He'll always be 4th best in line....Right after Bozo, Clarabell, and Krusty
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I remember that moment on 9/11 as well and I remember thinking how maybe GWB was going to be a great president..... then I actually woke up and starting educating myself on political affairs and that all went out the window...
still though, that speech was good (I think that was the last good one though) |
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never heard of him and don't care to thanks a whole Bunch :love: |
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You cant have it both ways. |
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I do believe he has had the country best interest at heart. I also believe he is honest and genuine. I know one thing for sure. He set the Republican party backwards,. I just wish they were more forceful in defending themselfs and the positions they took. Taking the high road does not work in Washington. |
Did anyone watch Bush's farewell address last night?
There should be no doubt left that Bush is living in an alternate universe, seeing his legacy only as he wishes to see it, and not caring one whip if you don't agree. A few times I don't know how he kept a straight face. -spence |
I think he's a smart guy who loves his country (as do all people who go into politics) but he's intellectually lazy and uncurious. That causes him to not read papers, watch the news, ask questions, etc. and thus, when someone like a Cheney or a Rumsfield would tell him something, he would go along with it w/o thinking it thru or the ramifications.
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Here's a little prediction that we all know will come true and already has started..... Obama will keep most, if not all Bush policies in effect.... the dems will now love those same policies, that they hated Bush for...... And they will take credit for the good that comes out of them while hanging Bush with anything bad that happens over the next four years.
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- Obama is keeping Bush tax cuts in place, a reversal of his prior statements - He is keeping the same general in charge in Iraq and just this week Clinton said " Both she and the President are intersted in ending the war in Iraq responslibly" What the hell does that mean? Wasnt that McCain's stance? I thought Obama was all about withdrawing troups? More to come |
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HOPEFULLY, to me, responsibly ending it means a steady draw down of forces in the next year, until we have a minimal presence, at least on the front lines... too many kids getting killed for no reason. |
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Buttman, it's like you're trying to rip Obama down before he's had the chance to do a damn thing. Sometimes I think some people just don't get why others are so critical of the Bush Administration. They are so convinced the Liberals just had the "man" they have forgotten what makes America so great. -spence |
If Bush's legacy is so bad why is Obama keeping Bush people around, for instance the Secdef, and the guy getting promoted to fed chief.
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I can tell you there is a list of top level scientists at NASA, EPA, NOAA who have been stifled by the administration; You can call it Gore BS, since he talked about the editing of reports in 'Truth' BUT there is a top level guy at EPA, who specializes in Sea level rise, rates, costs, etc, and has been studying it and working on policy since the 80's. He was basically told to shut up and any comments and reports he was to make, would go through the administrators from now on. Peer review is one thing, it is what science thrives on. Political review kills science. Plain and simple. "If Bush's legacy is so bad why is Obama keeping Bush people around, for instance the Secdef, and the guy getting promoted to fed chief." Because some of them are qualified, I think keeping Gates on was a GREAT move. it should be about putting good people in position to do good things. |
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Buttman! Is that's the best the smartest man on the internet could come up with. How disappointing, Truth be told SPENCE the work place has never, I repeat never been safer, more worker friendly and more employee protected. Ever! Do you even work in a real work enviroment. Try to fire someone for being a slacker now a days. It can't be done. I'm not ripping the MAN down. I'm just not saying he can walk on water. Hell, if he does 1/3 of what he said, I'll be voting for him in four years. |
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But being able to fire someone isn't the kind of protection we're talking about. Yes, in general most workplaces are pretty safe but the credit should be given to the people who think like Ralph Nader (even though he's a kook) rather than Ronald Reagan. But under Bush the anti-government attitude sent regulations in the other direction. Granted, some conservatives think this was a good thing, who cares if Timmy's dad dies in the coal mine as long as the government doesn't get in the way. Quote:
Obama has trancended the traditional wedge issues and has the potential to really change the dialogue in this country... ...or he could be a complete disaster. But I figured I'd at least give him a chance before passing judgement, as I did with GWB. -spence |
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Here's a link http://www.bls.gov/iif/, in every catagory, the work place injury rates have steadily improved year to year. This is what people and the media have done in regards to Bush. Throw out an untruth, say it often enough, Bush won't defend himself, and it becomes fact. The fact is the workplace is safer now then 8 years ago. As far as Obama goes, I agree with you. |
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1) It's not like a policy shift is going to result in immediate problems, which could take years or even decades to manifest. 2) I'd wager a lot of the drop in workplace injuries the past decade have to do with the continued outsourcing of higher-risk manufacturing jobs. When people talk about workplace safety and Bush they're talking about the policy shifts that may influence the trends. Toxic substances being labeled as "not all that toxic", freezing new OSHA protections and repealing ergonimics standards for workplace injury. Most of this isn't written into Bills by Congress but hidden in executive orders and by pressuring internal governmental organizations. There are no simple "stats" to quote as the issue is far more complicated. This of course is also a partisan issue. Liberals believe more government regulation is necessary to protect workers, Conservatives believe the businesses should be left to regulate themselves. Ultimately the best path is probably in the middle. Do you know what Buckman means in Tibek-Himalayan? I can't say :hihi: -spence |
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