nts to pay off unins to stop whining about Obamacare
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...for-obamacare/
Obama said Obamacare would lower healthcare costs. Even his most staunch supporters, big labor, know that's not what's happening, so they complain. Reports are that the White House is looking at a proposal that would offer subsidies of $20 billion a year, to help union members, and only union members, pay for Obamacare premiums. This, from the guy who said that his election would end politics as usual? Spence, Paul S, any liberal here...please tell me why union members deserve this subsidy, and everyone else does not? If this isn't a classic Chicago-style payoff, what the heck is it? How long, O Lord? |
Its not just unions that will receive subsidies.Welfare recipients and immigrants will get up to 70%,yes I said 70%,of their healthcare paid for by the gov.Take a guess as to where that money will come from.Affordable care act my ass.
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Unions claimed their members should be exempt, the White House said no. Your story isn't about reality, it's about a Republican lawmaker's stunt to pass a bill for a problem that doesn't exist. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ion-96793.html Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
The core problem here is the fatal flaw with capitalism. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.. This is ever so evident if we look at the last decade and the shrinking middle class. So when the poor get poorer, and I'm talking the working poor here.. The ones who bust their asses every day just to make ends meet.. These are the people who will be helped by obamacare. I don't hae time to get into it more, but I feel that we are at the peak of sustainable capitalism. Houses are expensive, food is expensive.. Everything is.. All due to the falling value of the dollar.
Am I for this idealistically? No... But realistically, the average American working an average job has been priced out of the American dream. This can help so many. And who's to say that the money they save won't be spent on other goods and boost the economy somehow. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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That is why wealth is being consolidated at the top. :devil2: Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Where are the Libs hiding on this forum anyway? |
The poor are poor because they are either lazy or stupid (or a combination of the 2)
The rich (self made rich) didn't get rich being lazy, stupid or a combination of the 2. Always the #^&#^&#^&#^&ing apologist Spence ! Quote:
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The poor are getting poorer because there are fewer jobs in this economy for them to work at. However, I keep seeing help wanted signs in many small retail businesses, but people can make out just as well with all their Govt. give a ways. Takes away incentive.
Jobs are being lost in the poorer states like W. Virginia because the EPA is causing the coal mines to produce less coal with lay offs of up to 70% of the work force. The Keystone pipe line, drilling and fracking would help workers as these, who want to work, get jobs. At the same time we could become energy independent and not have to deal with all this stuff in the Middle East. But that makes too much sense. I laugh when people put down the rich, they have no clue as to how much sacrifice time and effort are required to become rich. They provide jobs and benefits for people and pay taxes. Obama loves to see them become richer as they are the ones who are paying the large % of the taxes that he can use to give away more. |
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Oh, good....so without more capitalism, now that it has peaked and is clearly unsustainable probably due to that "fatal flaw", how do you plan to pay for peak sustainable government dependency? and peak sustainable government debt? which if we are not currently at, is frightening to think of the possibilities if we continue on this path (with less capitalism)? |
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Am I poor, no Somewhere in the middle and have worked my ass off my whole life and have never taken or asked for a hand out, ever ! |
And another thing, try and find a machinist... YOU CAN'T why? se During the Clinton years the GVT controlled monopoly education system decided to stop teaching the trades and send everyone to college and transition to a "Service Economy", look what that did for us.
Why are house prices out of control? The governmnet got involved in the mortgage business, Barney and crew hauled the bank presidents in fromt of a Senate Sub-Comittee and forced them to give out loans to everyone without verifying income etc... Then Chris Dodd made the statement that the loans were backed by fannie and Freddie and didn't need to be capitalized at 20%, 2% was good enough because the loans were backed by the faith and credit of the GVT, which then created the derivative market which caused the crash... The government isn't the solution, it IS the problem. Read von Hayek, we are on the rod to serfdom.. |
this represents your average conversation with a liberal/progressive though...
Jim points out that many Unions are unhappy with Obamacare, along with so much of the nation and that they want special treatment from their buddies Spence replies suggesting that Jim has no idea what he's talking about and blames it all on some unnamed Republican Eben then rambles on some nonsense about how this is all the fault of peak sustainable capitalism, which sounds too much like peak oil and sustainability(catch phrases) rolled up in a ball....or something but doesn't have time to elaborate and of course....ARE YOU RICH?...... I'd be afraid to answer that these days, like putting a target on your shirt, unless you are Lefty Rich, then you are the BEST! oh, brother :uhuh: Hope and Change! |
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Spence, if you want to know the truth about Machinists ask Professor Moriarity
about the demand for Machinists.Unless there has been a 360 in the last year or so it is quite the opposite of your post. Scottw, LOL waaay to funnie. :D |
Originally by Debuch-
"Perhaps some new form of "Socialism", not yet invented, will make everyone Equal.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________ Not only is it not yet invented, but never will be , because there will always be people who are ambitious, like hard work and all the satisfaction and self worth it brings and there will always be lazy slackerds. Human nature will never change. Capitalism is as close to being fair as possible because you are rewarded on the basis of what sacrifices and hard work you are willing to make and do. Socialism is unfair because slackerds benefit from the hard work of others. |
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It might not be perfect for everyone everywhere, but overall demand is certainly up. The challenge many companies have is finding the right skills in the right location. -spence |
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Before you guys get too far off topic, can I just remind everyone again that Jim got this story completely wrong. Hell if anything he should be praising the POTUS.
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Even his most staunch supporters, big labor, know that's not what's happening, so they complain. true Reports are that the White House is looking at a proposal that would offer subsidies of $20 billion a year, to help union members, and only union members, pay for Obamacare premiums. true This, from the guy who said that his election would end politics as usual? true Spence, Paul S, any liberal here...please tell me why union members deserve this subsidy, and everyone else does not? If this isn't a classic Chicago-style payoff, what the heck is it? good question maybe Jim didn't know that the administration declined the request regretfully "A senior administration official said the White House looked at several ways to make the union plans eligible for subsidies but couldn’t find one." but they tried real hard :uhuh: Labor officials met privately with President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Labor Secretary Tom Perez on Friday afternoon to press their case that the Affordable Care Act will have consequences for the benefits of union employees. wow...a private audience, they must be special! How long, O Lord? true |
Ok, so you've both got it wrong. I can live with that.
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he doesn't care about the facts, he just likes to bloviate.....
had to include this definition from the Urban Dictionary because it freakin' hilaroious and perfect:uhuh: bloviate To discourse at length in a pompous or boastful manner. A key attribute to those that sell. To pretend to understand technical subject matter and sell it to others even dumber then oneself. the problem is a lack of those "even dumber then oneself" for him to sell to :rotf2: |
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Why is the money deflated? I'm actually in favor of universal healthcare but WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. Quote:
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