Syria , the Presidents biggest embarrasment of all
This Syria thing is turning ridiculous and IMO has become the biggest embarrassment of the Obama Presidency and worst for any President since Bill got caught with his zipper down (which despite being embarrassing did the country little harm) .
He stupidly draws a line in the sand , backs down from that by dumping his mess on congress. When its apparent he will lose the vote in the house and barely get support from his own parties Senate , he grasps at straws about this idea of a UN or worse , Russian policed Chem warfare stockpile. Talk about him blinking , he has turned tail and run away. I think the world views us as the biggest bunch of political fools around now. To me this huge show of weakness , brought on by the loose lips of a zero foreign policy experience President is going to encourage further action against us and our allies. This is the ultimate failure of his Presidency and that's saying a mouth full after all the other stuff that has happened. I hope he locks himself in a closet for the next few years. "No President" , would be better than this guy stumbling along in the darkness. |
Or...it could be some brilliant political maneuvering in a nearly impossible situation with significant consequences.
If Obama can negotiate via Russia a WMD disarmament without force that would be huge. It also draws a very clear line for future action that even UN veto darlings won't be able to contain. Hell, it has the potential to stall the entire civil war and the rise of radicalism underway. I remember just after 9/11 thanking the expert foreign policy team Bush had in place...and look what happened then. Perhaps these people are a hell of a lot smarter than you're giving them credit for. -spence |
And here I thought LSD had gone out of fashion.
Now what were you saying about a tooth fairy? |
best headline in recent days
" to punish Syria Mr. President, send in your economic team, not missiles " JUGDGE "Mr Spence, you are charged with running a red light, hitting a pedestrian and driving through the front of a strip mall store, how do you plead?" SPENCE "I plead brilliant Your Honor, the car that had to come to a screeching halt at the intersection was going to be in a fatal accident a mile down the road so I save the lives of all on board, the dead pedestrian's family is going to get a tidy settlement from my insurance company and the store was empty and needed a makeover anyway, I just helped the owner make the decision, he should thank me.....Perhaps I'm a hell of a lot better driver than you're giving me credit for." |
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Forget bombing Syria, our troops should bomb DC and we can start over !
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In order to negotiate a deal Assad has to be in charge. Exactly what Obama did not want . You are going to retrieve chemical weapons from a nation in civil war?? It will take years if it can happen with any success at all. By negotiating this deal Putin now looks like the world's leader. Putin has handed Obama a face saving out and the self serving commander and chief will run with it . Nothing accomplished , just a step in the wrong direction. His legacy !!! Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
Shocking news
Syria has excepted Russia's proposal . It would be comical if not for the embarrassment and danger involved . Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Now, instead of military strikes you have the potential for the WMD to simply be taken off the table...now the rebels won't have access to them either. Assad's control is still pretty centralized. I don't think removing weapons will be an issue as they don't appear to have to pass through rebel territory. -spence |
I'm convinced this whole thing is staged as well. Lets give all these alqueda fighters a place to go fight and die.... Sounds almost too good to be true.
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Spence, here's what you and your ilk haven't figured out yet. There is a huge difference between actually doing things in the world, versus talking about doing things in an Ivy League faculty room. What sounds brilliant in the faculty room at Harvard, doesn't always work in the real world. |
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We're geting absolutely steamrolled by Russia on this one. Unless it plays out very differently than the direction it's currently heading. Carter version 2.0 |
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You don't? Well, Kerry's spokeswoman said it wasn't a real offer. Here is what she said... “Secretary Kerry was making a rhetorical argument about the impossibility of Assad turning over chemical weapons he has denied he used. This brutal dictator with a history of playing fast and loose with the facts cannot be trusted to turn over chemical weapons" http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013...nty-of-strike/ Spence, take off your tin-foil hat for a change. |
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And why wouldn't Kerry say he was working on it ...what would the harm be of that ? Fools Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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You guys are funny.
Obama was never going to remove Assad by force, and with the increasing radicalization of the rebels arming them is becoming less desirable day by day. This action takes the WMD off the table so nobody can use it. The Iranian leadership has shown slight signs of moderation, a diplomatic outcome in Syria helps here as well for future nuclear negotiations. Why wouldn't Kerry say he was working on it? Are you serious? Here's a better question for you. Can you explain why Russia would do an about face from the position there was no evidence the Govt led the attack to suddenly demanding Assad give everything up? -spence |
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(1) we remove or kill Assad, who is a Putin ally. (2) Assad simply agrees to give up his chemical weapons, and everybody agrees to forget about what happened. In this case, Assad stays right where he is. Why wouldn't Putin jump at the chance for option #2? There is no better outcome for Putin. So much for Obama's red line nonsense. We look like idiots. |
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Put fourth by Russia but then stated Assad still had to go. A shift in the balance has always been Obamas stance also. Try as you might to rewrite history days after its recorded . So you agree,that after killing thousands with chemical weapons,the punishment shall be an agreement that assures Assad stay in power??? Great !!! Explain to me how this " takes weapons off the table so nobody can use them"?? Do you have a magic WMD wand or something? I think Jim answered your last question quite well. Putin and Assad win! America loses. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Tooth Fairy too. I will ask you again, even though I wouldn't expect an answer, but what would you be saying about Bush under the same circumstances??? BTW- What would your posts be without words like Perhaps, or it could be. :) |
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It was a win,win proposal for Putin. He comes out as the new leader of the world, makes the US look like war mongers, protects his ally Assad, and protects his military base in Syria. The "red line" talk and the "very small limited attack" plan without the support of our country or the rest of the world made it easy for Putin. |
IMHO.. this whole "line in the sand" crap from Our "President" was to get the attention away from the latest round of White house "spy gate"... another notch on his legacy belt.
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Here is what John Kerry himself, said of his offhand comment about Assad simply turning over his chemical weapons...
"He could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week, but he isn't about to do it, and it can't be done, obviously." The link... http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...pons-proposal/ First he says "it can't be done, obviously". Now we're supposed to believe that what he said obviously cannot be done, is now in the world's best interest? Watching this administration is like watching Peter Sellers portray Inspector Cluseou in the old 'Pink Panther' movies... |
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QUOTE=Rockfish9;1013009]IMHO.. this whole "line in the sand" crap from Our "President" was to get the attention away from the latest round of White house "spy gate"... another notch on his legacy belt.[/QUOTE] Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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And people please, Obama didn't draw the red line to distract from the Snowden affair. Letting a WMD attack go post 9/11 is an extremely dangerous precedent. -spence |
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I can't decide where I stand on the issue of mi;litary action here. So it's not Obama's position that I necessarily object to, it's the way he has gone about it. He claims that Syria has crossed the red line, then goes to play golf. He talks about military action, then punts it to Congress. His Secstate makes a non-serious comment, tells us that it could never be done. now they're touting it as the greatest idea ever. All the while Putin is literally making Obama look like a child. |
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It's an implicit acknowledgment by Russia that the attack wasn't a rebel stunt as was proposed. Assad is slapped with a UN resolution that will limit his military options and leaves the door open for further action depending on future humanitarian issues. Putin doesn't really gain anything, Assad loses and Obama doesn't have to face a potential backlash...USA wins. -spence |
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The admin has never been good at PR, this is nothing new. -spence |
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And if Assad takes a page from Saddam's playbook, and violates the mandate? Does the UN do nothing, as it is doing at the moment? Assad alreeady broke the Geneva Convention rules Spence, and I don't see the UN doing much. The UN is not taken seriously by those who are looking to slaughter huge numbers of innocents. |
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