When is Jim in NJ
 

Going to open up about the vile behavior of New Jersey Republicans and white wash the entire party in the process? :devil2:

-spence

I'm pretty sure you don't mean me. I can't compete in this forum on any topic. However, I wouldn't stick up for the aides responsible. With out a doubt some of the stupidest people on earth, thinking inappropriate emails sent to/from prominent state officials wouldn't sometime come back to bite them in the a$$ let alone incriminate them.

I'm sure Jim started a thread on the IRS scandal :) and blamed Pres Obama for the actions of some mid-level IRS agent, half way across the country (who was conserv. and targeted groups from both sides of the political spectrum) while he makes excuses for Gov. Christie's aide and childhood friend.

One of many quotes that made me laugh was when he said he wasn't a bully. I'm wondering if the people he has challenged to a fight would agree.

As an aside, I don't think Christie had anything to do with this.

An atypical response.

Its an election year and Christie's contemplating a run in '16 and there's a "scandal",imagine that!

You guys are #^&#^&#^&#^&ing pathetic.

Spence, if Christie was a Democrat, every single person here knows you'd be bending over backwards to defend him.

I'm more fair than that. If Christie had no first-hand knowledgs of what happened, he still deserves to catch a lot of heat, because the buck stops with him. If he did know, and I presume that he did, he deserves to be impeached. FAIR ENOUGH?

I'd say that what Christie did is slightly more appalling than Obama's closing the open-air WWII memorial, and other un-manned parks, during the shutdown. Both are cases of causing unnecessary stress, to innocent bystanders, for political motives (you will never admit Obama had political reasons for erecting barracades around open air parks). Spence, we all know that you endlessly defended that, as you are physically incapable of saying anything critical of your man-crush.

On these forums, I have, on occasion, lambasted conservatives when they have it coming. I have also stated that I believe conservatives are wrong on some issues like gay marriage and gun control.

That makes me more fair-minded than you are capable of ever being. Spence, I am not the right-wing equivalent of you, not even close, I'm not nearly as radically right as you are left. Not even remotely close. You're a liberal parrot. So please don't ever accuse me of being as blind and as brainwashed and thoughtless and as simple-minded and as predictable as you are. If you can't think for yourself, perhaps you can at least strive for a shred of intellectual honesty here. Is that really asking so much?

Obviously I'm right-leaning. However, you are the fanatic here, not me.

It is a legitimate scandal. Ambulances were late responding to calls, precisely because of the lane closures. Public servents have no business engaging in that kind of vindictive behavior. If Christie's team is pissed at the Fort Lee mayor, why not target their anger at him, instead of dragging all of the citizens into it. Christie is their governor, too, he is supposed to look out for them.

It's a real scandal. What's phony is the liberal outrage to this behavior, when those same liberals (read: Spence and everyone at MSNBC) refuse to criticize any Democrat for equally repugnant behavior. But the conservatives, unlike liberals, believe in family values, and we need to practice what we preach.

I cannot believe Christie would do something so asinine.

I have a hunch your facts are a bit mixed up here. I could be wrong, but I think the IRS was targeting conservatives, the IRS was not equally targeting conservatives and liberals.

And the person leading the Justice Department probe into the IRS scandal, is an Obama donor. Shocking.

Innocent.

-spence

There were far more cons groups then lib. groups who applied.
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Is there any evidence that liberal groups were targeted specifically for their political beliefs?

Bump up the thread that I'm sure you started and we could rehash the things which were already discussed.
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Seems to me that you are the one who initiated the rehashing of the IRS scandal, if you read the posts in this thread. I'm just responding to your accusation. If you used this thread to comment on the IRS scandal, I fail to see why I can't do the same.

I don't know if I started one. I don't think liberal groups were complaining that the IRS was targeting them specifically for their political beliefs. I have heard Obama apologize for the fact that the IRS was targeting conservatives.

I'm sure that he would be defending him but the difference is that he doesn't start threads every time he sees something that he doesn't like than state that all repubs. are like that as you do. Finally he doesn't resort to insults as you frequently do.

Is there any wonder this forum has lost so many members since you started posting? I always wonder if you speak like that when you're face to face with people.

I did get a laugh at that last comment though,
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Paul: The IRS didn't single out conservatives, they persecuted liberals too.

Jim: Do you have any facts to support that?

Paul: Everyone is leaving this forum because of you, you big meanie!

Do I have that about right, Paul? Is that what transpired here?

My last comment was that Obama apologized for the IRS scandal, and that's funny to you? Well, as usual (not always, but usually) my facts seem to be correct. A quote from Obama...

"If, in fact, IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that is outrageous, and there is no place for it, and they have to be held fully accountable, because the IRS as an independent agency requires absolute integrity and people have to have confidence that they are applying the laws in a non-partisan way. You should feel that way regardless of party."

Paul, you denied that the IRS targeted conservative groups. Obama himself doesn't seem to be denying that, so why would you deny it?

Sorry for being so mean...

Is that what happened?

No, I don't think you are a meanie. I would say you are something else but since I can't say it to your face I won't say it.k
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No, the last comment was that you think you are fair minded, The irs targeted both lib and cons groups. More cons groups where targeted as there were more applying. While no conservative groups where denied NP status they were given extra scrutiny.

Where did I deny that the Irs targeted cons. groups?
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Paul, you said Obama's IRS targeted both sides. I asked for proof. You responded with insults.

Just following your lead.

I just did a google search on "liberal groups targeted by the irs" and the articles said the irs used the terms emerge and Acorn - just as they used the term progressive.
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No, he's trying to deflect.
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So why hasn't ACORN complained about being targeted?

Spence was right to bring up Christie, and I'm glad he did, because I'd be one heck of a hypocrite if I didn't criticize him. If he knew about this, he is unfit to be POTUS. So is a woman who lied about being shot at in Kosovo when she knows damn well that never happened.

A fine state of affairs when that's our choice. I did like Christie before this. I still agree with him on the issues, but we need someone with some ethics.

<Sigh>. What exactly am I trying to deflect here, Spence? I said that if Christie knew about this, he should be impeached.

I'll also say this...within 24 hours of the story breaking, Christie had people fired, and said that even though he didn't know about this, it's his fault because the buck stops with him.

Has Obama ever stepped up like that? Is that how Obama handled the IRS scandal, or the failed stimulus (which he promised would keep unemployment under 8%), or the website disaster, or Benghazi? It was refreshing, at least, that Christie didn't blame George Bush.

I want this investigated, and if it turns out Christie ordered this, he should get impeached, and possibly charged with a crime. Ambulances couldn't get where they were trying to go because of this. Lives were put at risk, all for political spite. I want my side to be better than that. If he ordered this, he's unfit for public service.

I agree Jim, hard to believe such infantile behavior would come directly from Christie.
But if it did, he needs to have his head examined.
Having been a Prosecutor knowing the consequences and facing an election it doesn't make sense.

Maybe he forgot which party he's in, because if he were a Democrat, we wouldn't be talking about this.

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1028099]<Sigh>. What exactly am I trying to deflect here, Spence?

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if you want to "deflect" you could refer to anyone who criticizes Christie and the goings on in his administration as "haters"...who are full of vile hate, motivated by extremist tendencies and probably also bigots who hate fat people who can't help being who they are and then you could make condescending remarks about how the " Christie haters and bigots" are incapable of "thinking", inject a lot of meaningless phrases and unsubstantiated "facts" that for you pass as "thinking" and then mock and ridicule the "haters and bigots" who point out the lunacy of your distortion of "facts" and the obvious flaws in your "thinking"and then disappear for a while only to pop up on another thread doing and saying essentially the same thing once again....:)

I think that's how it works :uhuh:

[QUOTE=scottw;1028234]I think you're right. The Christie detractor are a bunch of anti-chubby bigots who can't see that Christie was trying to help the environment by getting people to walk to work.

C

Seems about right being NBC, CBS and MSNBC spent something like 17 X more time
on the Christie scandal in the first 24 hours than they spent in one year on the IRS Scandal.

You guys are funny. Here's Christie in a pickle and you just can't help but make it about Obama. I should trademark "Benghazi" as I'd make a fortune.

Records being released make it seem impossible Christie isn't lying about his knowledge, even if he didn't have a hand in the actual event.

-spence

The conservatives here seem to have concluded that Christie deserves whatever heat he takes. When did you say that about Obama? When the stimulus failed to keep unemployment under 8%? After Benghazi? After the IRS scandal? After the Obamacare website disaster? Answer: nope.

Spence, you began this thread with the assumption that I was a hypocrite who would point out liberal flaws, but give Christie a pass. Clearly you were mistaken, yet again.

Spence, there is one, and only one, ideological fanatic here who refuses to criticize his own party no matter what. That could not be more clear. It is demonstrably true.

Benghazi happened just as originally described. There was no coverup. The ties to al Qaeda were fabricated by a corrupt journalist to sell a story, which the GOP ate up with great delight. That is, unless my facts are wrong.
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Whether it was Al Queda or not (that may still be open for debate), it certainly had nothing to do with a video, yet the administration kept playing that card, which essentially was blaming an American citizen for what happened in Benghazi (the video was made by an American). What do you think of that? Then we have a senior administration official (Clinton), saying "what difference does it make" what the root cause was. What difference does it make. Tell that to the families.

Obama also (1) spent almost $1 trillion on a stimulus that he said would keep unemployment below 8%, and unemployment shot over 10%; (2) claimed to be post partisan, yet his IRS was targeting the tea party; (3) said "if you like your plan or doctor, you can keep them - period".

Not one critical syllable from you-know-who on any of those flubs.

So who is the fanatic? Hmmmmmmm...

Et tu, Nebe?

Nebe, bin laden ordered the hit. Hillary was smuggling manpads in her slacks to Iran in exchange for a discount at the rug emporium around exit 38 on the Long Island expressway. This is all about Chicago and Acorn, the Rev Wright and pot in Hawaii. It would be funny if he were really an American citizen.

Benghazi.
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Lmao!!
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Phew! Thank you for admitting it was about these loony tunes, not about Bush. And yet . . . you still have your nose up their butt.

this is great isn't it? Spence starts a thread hoping to make himself feel better about the failures of his hero and then complains that others make everything about his hero...Paul was actually the first to inject the O word...Eben makes a "statement of fact"(opinion)...neglecting to include any facts which makes the statement little more than an opinion based on ??? Paul insults Jim for being insulting.....and Eben and Spence tickle each other's navels and laugh at fart jokes-LMAO....I think they refer to this as "enlightened high-mindedness"

meanwhile...domestic economic policy is a disaster, foreign policy is a disaster, Governors act like thugs and Presidents take lavish 4 million dollar vacations and then whine about income inequality:smash:

Pinkies up spence!
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Scott. Here is your facts. Old news....

http://www.theeverlastinggopstoppers...ication-video/
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Spence, let's try a little exercise, shall we?

You started this thread with the assumption that I would not be critical of Christie. but I was.

Your turn.

Hilary, as we all know, recently made up stories about being under sniper fire at an airport in Kosovo or somewhere, where she had to DIVE! into waiting military vehicles. Video from that day showed she lied through her teeth, as she was calmly smiling and waving for the cameras.

Her excuse? She was tired from not getting enough sleep the night before! Anyone who raises kids knows what brutal sleep deprivation feels like. Never, not once, has sleep deprivation caused any of us to believe we were under sniper attack.

OK Spence, what say you? Why doesn't this incident show without a shred of doubt, that this is a woman who will say anything whatsoever, and then confronted with irrefutable evidence of a lie, she makes up another lie.

What say you?

Good luck!

The article is not related to your post to which ScottW referred.

It doesn't say that Benghazi happened as originally described. The original description involving the video is not even discussed.

It doesn't say there was NO cover-up. It says that a couple of memos were misquoted which somehow discredits the whole investigation, and disregards everything else about the incident. And the "misquotes" don't entirely change the nature of the "original" quotes. One left out mention of the State Dept. and the other was a rewrite by the CIA which left out references to al Qaeda which they had in their original quote to satisfy the sensitivities of State Dept.

It doesn't say that the ties to Al Qaeda were "fabricated" by a corrupt journalist to sell a story. It stays away from discussing ties to Al Qaeda, which subsequent stories by "reputable" journalists (including CNN :uhuh:)show existed.

As Spence likes to say, this is old news.

I suspect that if I were to reference or link the

http:www.theeverlastinglibstoppers.com

or something similar

for "facts and old news" on a controversial issue, you and Spence would be cackling and howling...:uhuh:

brilliant:)