It's also worth noting that multiple senators who were in that room, are denying that Trump said sh*thole.
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It's weird it's not on tape or on official notes taken during the meeting. Even if they produced video of it now of him not saying it, the media has already gotten what they wanted out of it. I wonder if JFK ever referred to Cuba as a sh!thole.... Perhaps he would have phrased it more like "Those dirt eating Commie sons a beeches" |
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Now, I answered your question, yes? Would you extend me the same courtesy? Please tell me why my comments were absurd, when I claimed that a huge increase in the supply of unskilled labor, especially illegals who will work for less than minimum wage, keeps wages suppressed for Americans who are low skilled and competing for the same jobs. If you spent less time reading Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book, and a bit more time reading Economics 101, you’d know that the basic principles of supply and demand, suggest I am correct. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
Cotton first said he didn't recall. Hell even Lindsey Graham verified the remarks.
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Are you going to comment at all, about why my beliefs about immigration keeping low wage earners down, is one of the more absurd things ever posted here? You really deny that if you increase the supply of something (ESPECIALLY if the new supply comes at a lower cost), then it's pretty hard to raise the price of that something? You work in Finance, and you deny that? |
Trump told a reporter yesterday he is the least racist person they would ever possibly interview, is anyone buying that one:rotf3::rotf3::rotf3:?
The GOP for whatever reason have become lapdogs cowering at the feet of Trump, so it doesn't surprise me at all those in attendance either denied hearing it or said they didn't recall hearing it. I suspect they knew exactly what the fallout would be and I'm sure wanted to try to lesson the impact, especially with a budget deadline quickly approaching. I don't doubt he said it, that's exactly who Trump is, he is vulgar, abrasive, insensitive and incapable of thinking twice about anything he says. |
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Past 8 years there have been on avg 11.3 million illigal immagrants. (NOT LEGAL) in the USA 45mil americans or 14% of all Americans live below the poverty line These facts clearly go against your statement And seems you need to explain what unskilled jobs they are depressing. that poor Americans are upset that they cant obtain Picking Strawberry's, avacados farm hands landscaping So 11.5 million poor immigrant are making a living off depressed wages that they are depressing yet paying bills and spending money ..and at the same time taking jobs from 45 million poor Americans who you suggest want those jobs .. In a country of 323 million .. your math isn't adding up |
Jim, anybody with any sense of honesty will admit that Republicans all believe the minorities are lazy and enjoy sitting around taking welfare. Welfare is like it dog whistle to Republicans. You yourself have claimed numerous times that welfare is all a grand Democratic scheme to keep minorities down by making them dependent on it and that us why they vote for Democrats.
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Then they magically remembered what Trump said. Now in my best Jim voice this goes to show how sleazy and disgusting the conservatives are, their honesty means nothing. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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If it's the former, I hope you know I have zero issue with you disagreeing with me. None whatsoever. But I think the most basic principles of supply and demand suggest I am correct. If it's the latter, I think people either (1) are liberal ideologues and cannot admit anything that doesn't support liberalism, even if it's obvious truth. Spence is in this category. Or (2) people can't stomach saying it out loud, because it is a harsh reality, which means that we must put strict limits on the number of poor people we let come here. For many people, it's not an easy thing to say 'no' to someone that might desperately want to come here, it might be their only shot at having a comfortable life? It's not easy to slam the door in people's faces. But life ain't always easy. I don't like that more than anybody, I want everybody to be rich and comfortable. Rand Paul hates Donald Trump. But he was on with Chuck Todd this weekend, explaining how much money Trump gave (before he entered politics) to support humanitarian missions to Haiti, medical mercy missions that Rand Paul, a doctor, was aware of. Trump was a major, major donor to these missions. If all he cared about was his net worth, and if he doesn't like Haitians, why would he do this? Answer...he wouldn't. I do not think Trump is a super nice guy. I wouldn't want him dating my Mom. He says things that are hard to believe a grown man could say, probably because he's not a grown man in many ways, he's a big spoiled bratty baby in many ways. But he's not Hitler or Darth Vader or Mr Burns from 'The Simpsons' either. There are many stories of his generosity out there (as there should be with any billionaire). All of that gets lost because (1) he has a penchant for saying the most crass things you can imagine, which naturally grab our attention, and (2) 99% of the media is on a mission to demonize him. He will never, ever get a fair shake in the media. And by 'fair', I don't mean zero negative coverage. I mean negative coverage when he deserves it (not a rare thing), and positive coverage when he deserves it (also not a rare thing, especially if you think a healthy economy is good for Americans). He will never, ever get that, the left and the media are not capable of it. They literally are not capable of it. They could not be fair to Bush, or McCain, or Romney. And their hatred of those men was nothing compared to Trump, because those men were courteous to the media. Trump throws cheap shots right back at them, and is calling them out for exactly what they are. It never occurred to them that they might be held accountable for their yellow journalism, and they don't like it one bit. |
I saw a poll that says 32% of Americans approve of Trumps handling of race relationships. Isn't that about his favorability rating? I would guess it's all Republicans right?
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Here in CT, we have MASSIVE problems with unfunded pensions. The Democrats won't touch it. So when Republican says "this is not a tenable situation", the Democrats can pounce on him and say "aha! Did you hear that! He wants to steal your pensions, and give the money to his buddies who manage hedge funds! Vote for me, because I think they deserve the pensions they were promised!!" Yet they never, ever say how they will fund them. I think there's a lot of that from the left. It's dishonest and destructive, almost to the point of calling it diabolical. |
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Black unemployment has never been as low as it is now. If Obama were still POTUS, they'd give him another Nobel Peace Prize for that. With Trump, the media won't discuss it. So they focus on something vulgar he might have said about Haiti, wherein he implied that it's a horribly run country. Imagine thinking that? |
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And it's not that he "might" of said what he said, it is that he actually said it . You had two senators who confirmed it and two Republican Senators who now have lied about what he said. So let's not say he might have said it when the facts all point to him actually saying it. And frankly I don't think he cares because if he did care he would be tweeting more about it in denying it. He's not doing that because he's blowing his little dog whistle. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Bullsh*t. That's what the media wants you to believe about how the GOP thinks about minorities. What the GOP actually believes, is this - that some people truly cannot fend for themselves, and we need to help those people (evidenced by the fact that conservatives give slightly more to charity than liberals, we have discussed this). But it's better to help people to help themselves, than it is to create more people who cannot fend for themselves. Welfare can have a negative effect if it creates more people who can never go out and take care of themselves. The late great liberal democrat senator from NY, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, said 50 years ago that liberal welfare was going to be an absolute Holocaust for blacks. He was excoriated for saying that. And he was 100% correct. "You yourself have claimed numerous times that welfare is all a grand Democratic scheme to keep minorities down by making them dependent on it and that us why they vote for Democrats." I believe that to my core, at least as regards to some liberals at the national level who make policy. I also believe that's why many liberal politicians want open borders and more immigration - it leads to more future democrat voters. That's the desired outcome. How can any sane person be against secure borders? They can't. But they put their sanity aside, for political capital. Paul, when I see what 50 years of liberalism has done for minorities in Hartford and Bridgeport, I say "these people deserve better". When liberals see what their policies have done there, they say "these people deserve more of the same". Because they aren't proposing anything different. You tell me, Paul, which conclusion implies greater concern for poor minorities? Mine or theirs? Which one? Liberalism has been a complete disaster for struggling blacks. Economically, culturally, in terms of family stability...it's been a catastrophe. And when I say they deserve better than what liberals delivered, you claim that means I don't like them? Suffice to say, I see zero logic there. Just more blind political demonization in spite of the facts and common sense. Finally, here's the last way I will reject your theory that the GOP doesn't care about poor minorities. The tax reform bill is going to help many minorities increase their net take home pay. You tell me, Paul...if Democrats care so much about minorities, what did they do under Obama, that was better for minorities, than this? |
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I have zero issue with accurate criticism. Stop pretending otherwise. I started this thread, and I was attacking Trump. I don't believe it's racist to say that Haiti is a sh*thole (especially when the person who said it has given large amounts of money to help Haiti),. I also don't think it's necessarily racist to say we need more immigrants who are (1) self sufficient, and (2) more likely to be able to assimilate into our culture. There's logic there. And it will always be painted as racist by your side. Always. |
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Increased competition, leads to lower price. I can't say it any simpler than that. Wages at the bottom are not keeping up with inflation. So the math is indeed backing me up. So is common sense. |
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You say cotton is honest but he already lied. First he said he didn't hear it now he's saying he didn't say it. So which time was he more credible and which time did he lie? Off for a haircut and the gym now
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I concede he's not a good man. But he's not remotely what CNN wants him to be. He trounced them at their own game (by virtue of winning when they all said he was going to get clobbered, hell they convinced me) and they hate him for it. He pulled back the curtain and for a moment, showed us how dishonest and contemptible they are. |
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Now I am OK with bringing in more of the impoverished (legally) after a reduction in the people coming illegally but assimilate, have sponsors, chase education, and ATTAIN CITIZENSHIP!!!! |
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Sounds like a good tax deduction for the Donald. He needs a strong Haiti, it's where he gets most of his workers for Mar-A-Lago. |
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I'm sure you can find some specific anecdotes where it's the case but in a general sense doesn't seem to pan out. |
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