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Van 10-05-2007 08:58 AM

Why is the epoxy turning white?
 
I have a custom rod that was built for me many years ago.
Its still a work horse, but the other day while fishing in the rain/mist the coating on the wrapping was getting whitish and was not clear anymore (is that described enough?). Once the weather dried out, the coating went back to clear.
Is it junk? Does it need re-coating? I don't want to have an issue later so maybe there is a fix now.

Any help is appreciated.

JeffH 10-05-2007 01:43 PM

My guess is the rod was color preserved using water base color preserver. Since the rod is a couple of years old you probably have a couple of cracks in the finish around the guides or the finish is not completely covering the end of the wraps. When the rod gets wet the color preserver goes cloudy and when it dries it goes clear again.

Van 10-05-2007 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffH (Post 530032)
My guess is the rod was color preserved using water base color preserver. Since the rod is a couple of years old you probably have a couple of cracks in the finish around the guides or the finish is not completely covering the end of the wraps. When the rod gets wet the color preserver goes cloudy and when it dries it goes clear again.

Hmm...good thought, but even the section just above the top grip completely turns color, I don't think there would be cracks around that area as it barely bends at all there. The finish looks very good (completely covering threads) and it nice and thick too. BTW when I said years ago I meant like 20 years ago.

Still if thats the issue, can it be re-sealed so I don't get damage>?

JeffH 10-05-2007 02:45 PM

I'm still sticking with the water. Water can easily get under the grip if it's cork or hypalon. I have a rod that only has color preserver on it and it clouds when used and then drys clear, it's never had epoxy on it.

Mike P 10-05-2007 03:04 PM

I agree with Jeff. It's moisture. Most rods start exhibiting this cloudiness when you leave them outside in humidity, fog, dew, rain and so on.

Van 10-05-2007 04:58 PM

Cool, so when its wet out this happens.
Is there a fix?

junkmansj 10-05-2007 08:08 PM

Get someone to rebuild it over the Winter

FishHawk 10-07-2007 07:25 AM

It's water that gets in and clouds the finish. Just have a rod builder refinish the wraps. FishHawk

Van 10-08-2007 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FishHawk (Post 530311)
It's water that gets in and clouds the finish. Just have a rod builder refinish the wraps. FishHawk


You mean just go over whats there?
Or remove and redo?

Mike P 10-08-2007 12:29 PM

Remove and re-do, if it matters to you.

All wraps do this over time--even those done by the best builders.

Saltheart 10-09-2007 08:17 AM

get it good and dry indoors a few weeks , then a coat of finish over the old will seal it. be sure the finish is applied past the end of the old finish by about 1/4 inch. that way it will seal the ends and also cover any place where the CP was not covered by the first epoxy finish.

As I understand it , water gets in cracks but also it goes under an uncracked finish where the original color preserver coat may not have been covered. If the CP coat extends past the epoxy over it , the cp eventually desolves away and the water gets under the epoxy at the edge.

Van 10-09-2007 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saltheart (Post 530769)
get it good and dry indoors a few weeks , then a coat of finish over the old will seal it. be sure the finish is applied past the end of the old finish by about 1/4 inch. that way it will seal the ends and also cover any place where the CP was not covered by the first epoxy finish.

As I understand it , water gets in cracks but also it goes under an uncracked finish where the original color preserver coat may not have been covered. If the CP coat extends past the epoxy over it , the cp eventually desolves away and the water gets under the epoxy at the edge.


Sounds like a good winter project. I would guess I can get the "finish" at a local shop>? Is it a 2-part product, or what do you recommend. I even have a slow turning motor set-up.

Saltheart 10-09-2007 11:06 AM

take it to Mike T. Let him coat it. You will definitely mess it up if you have not done it before.

Van 10-09-2007 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saltheart (Post 530815)
take it to Mike T. Let him coat it. You will definitely mess it up if you have not done it before.

OK Thanks,
But who is Mike T. ???

Saltheart 10-09-2007 12:39 PM

Mike T at M+D's on Main St Wareham and Capecodtackle.com , etc.

Van 10-09-2007 12:53 PM

Thats who I thought you meant...Thanks

beamie 10-17-2007 06:07 AM

Van,

I can do it for you after I get home from work in late Jan. Only cost you a couple Capt and cokes.

Jon

Van 10-17-2007 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beamie (Post 532404)
Van,

I can do it for you after I get home from work in late Jan. Only cost you a couple Capt and cokes.

Jon

DEAL....:gu::gu::cheers::cheers:


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