Flagship california
 

That state hasn't slid into the ocean yet?

Maybe Trump should let all the illegals stay in California and let in a few more million there, then maybe that will create enough excess weight to facilitate the slide.

BTW, if Hillary won the popular vote by nearly 3 million, California accounted for all of that and more. She won California by nearly 4.3 million votes. If California slid into the ocean, the Dems would have to hurry up and get a whole bunch more illegal aliens to populate the rest of the country. Oh . . . wait, that's what they're trying to do with legal or illegal "immigrants."

Gross domestic product
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2.448 trillion USD they do lead the way

By all means keep beating your anti immigration Bell of Fear as if they are alone responsible for the country"s issues ...

while ignoring the fleecing of America by US corporations and Banks and more of Trump inner circles proclamations .. Miller told US media the court ruling was a "judicial usurpation of power" and that "the president's powers here are beyond question".

then voter fraud

STEPHANOPOULOS: Do have that evidence?

MILLER: I’ve actually, having worked before on a campaign in New Hampshire, I can tell you that this issue of busing voters into New Hampshire is widely known by anyone who’s worked in New Hampshire politics. It’s very real. It’s very serious. This morning, on this show, is not the venue for me to lay out all the evidence.

A nationally televised program seems like a very good place to offer evidence to back up a contentious claim made by a president. It seems, in fact, like this is the reason that Miller is offered the chance to speak at all.

MILLER: But I can tell you this, voter fraud is a serious problem in this country. You have millions of people who are registered in two states or who are dead who are registered to vote. And you have 14 percent of noncitizens, according to academic research, at a minimum, are registered to vote, which is an astonishing statistic. (Among those registered to vote in two places, by the way, are Trump’s son-in-law, treasury nominee, daughter and press secretary.)

So keep the attention on the Immigrants and Voter fraud (supporter Red Meat ) ( Attack hoses who push back against the lies or rule against them in Court ) Brand them as enemies...and while the every ones looking the other way .. we'll you know the rest

So you're OK with States becoming "sanctuary States" and that within the illegal alien community, “almost entirely everybody has secured some sort of false identification”?

WTF are you talking about?

Same thing What Sanders said .. its a Slight of hand Trump administration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2gA9N74Puk


you seem to be focused mostly on immigration .. Since Trump took office this fourm has been void of any criticism towards the POTUS

how about
national security adviser Michael Flynn following reports that Flynn engaged in conversations with a Russian diplomat about U.S. sanctions weeks before Trump's inauguration. they said they didn't


Miller told US media the court ruling was a "judicial usurpation of power" and that "the president's powers here are beyond question". really

the constant claims of voter Fraud by Administration officials with out any evidence


or how about Trump mocked Democrats in a meeting with senators for letting Warren become the face of their party.
"Pocahontas is now the face of your party," Trump said in the meeting

Not Very Presidential

But it's very Trumpist. And very much admired by his "supporters."

And "Presidential" is overated. Especially since many, if not most, Presidents have acted un-Presidential.

So, getting back to the topic of this thread, do you approve of California becoming a sanctuary State? Do you approve of almost all the illegal aliens in California having fraudulent, illegal, identification? Do you approve of California corporations and banks "fleecing" California to the tune of a 2.488 GDP? Do you have any comments about those things?

Are you serious? Half the posts in this thread since the inauguration, are you bashing Trump. I also criticize him quite regularly.

How can you say that?

Thats my point exactly.... before Trumps election Bashing the POTUS (Obama ) was daily bread on this Board ... and yes you have criticize him ..

I hadn't expected much objectivity with but crickets ... i didn't expect that either ..

ok

In your first response, you cited the large GDP as a positive for California in leading the way. Then two sentences down from that you negatively referred to "the fleecing of America by US corporations and Banks". So your position seems to contradict itself. Unless you don't think US corporations and banks had anything to do with that glowing GDP.

The deportable offense is coming to the country illegally. That IS the law.

Just because he's decided to focus on the deportation of violent offenders doesn't change the fact that if you are here illegally......you can be deported

Come into the country illegally and I'm ok with immigration showing them the door back to the country they came from.

I'm not ok with any city or state harboring illegal aliens, but I have no issues with anyone coming in from wherever if properly screened and they go through the legal process.

FYI every single one of us is related to an illegal alien. All of our ancestors came into this country uninvited.

sooo.....which laws were broken or ignored?

Seems some draw conclusions that are not there


Gross domestic product
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2.448 trillion USD they are the 6th largest economy in the world Some just see GDP

California’s GDP, at 2.448 trillion dollars is 80% larger that Russia’s GDP, at 1.3 trillion dollars.

So California leads the way its a country with in a country they deal with environmental issues immigrations issue Business issues Banking issues and they deal with state issues as we as federal issues .. and are not ruined or fallen into the sea

As for Immigration both legal and illegal I dont take the Chicken little approach as many Trump supporters Take you get caught you get deported its called due process I am good with that .. but some give the impression.. as if no one gets deported .. Not sure what Trump supporters are looking for other than 100% with out due process ??

During President Barack Obama’s terms, he had a record number of people deported from the United States which was more than any other president. As of 2015, more than 2.5 million undocumented people had been deported by immigration authorities since Obama took office in 2009. This total is record-setting. Take for example, during the two terms of his predecessor, President George W. Bush, removed just over 2 million people.

But lets not let Facts get in the Way.. lets keep the Immigration invasion are stealing jobs and destroying the country narrative alive.. because it gets votes

Are you saying that the illegals are not "stealing jobs"? Isn't the mantra for encouraging low paid illegals that they'll do the work that Americans won't? (Actually, the correct phraseology is "the work that Americans used to do" . . . you know . . . back in the day . . . when values were different and the safety net was not as generous.)

To sum up what you've said so far in you're response to the actual object and subject of this thread (the article I posted):

You're OK with the creation of sanctuary states.

You're OK with illegals remaining here and having fraudulent ID.

You're OK with states, rather than the Federal Government, having the power to decide who resides in their territory, and so being able to challenge or disregard any Federal Executive Order which conflicts with a state's desire in that manner.

You're OK with open borders, or no borders, with having an undefined country and undefined laws.

And You're not OK with corporations and banks "fleecing America" except You're OK with that in California because it helps to create a great GDP.

Explains the "reasoning" behind a lot of your posts. And why you rag on Trump every day.

This board has no sense of humor, but I'm pretty sure written laws didn't need to be on the books, for most to understand the native Americans got a royal screwing courtesy of the uninvited boatloads of immigrants coming to their country. Our ancestors are lucky they didn't have better planning and better weapons.

Then what was Ellis Island for? :huh:

My ancestors didn't have to be lucky. They came here much later. Your ancestors were the ones who did the royal screwing. But they didn't have to feel guilty about it. It was the way of the world. Who knows what the first so-called Native Americans found when they migrated here from who knows where for whatever reason--being screwed there or because they were chased away because they were screwing others. Or because they just sought a better life.

And when they continued their trek into here it wasn't a great kumbaya between the old and new "natives." There were fights over territory which continued for centuries and the more advanced developed civilizations that had to be protected from or prey upon other "native" populations, and various religious and superstitious rituals including human sacrifice and tribal wars were normal. It's far more complex than the evil white man screwing the innocent red one meme. But there was undoubtedly some or a lot of that.

You're entitled to feel guilty for the sins of your ancestors. I don't want any part of that. My ancestors were screwed over for centuries, but I'm sure they weren't completely innocent. And I can neither hold a grudge over it nor even care about it. It's all that water under the bridge thing. The past has its important lessons, from which we better learn, and provides the pleasure of studying it. But I'm focused mostly on doing the best I can in today's world.

Hey, maybe the ancestors of the "Native" Americans should feel lucky that an advanced civilization saved them from the short hard life of scrounging for food and from the ravages of disease and age that the amenities of the modern world affords them.

I'm just joking. That sense of humor thing. It would be interesting, though, if the tribes that live on reservations actually reverted to the ancient ways and lived off the land without the aid modern technology. I believe their lives would be more "meaningful" than the lives of most Americans today. But it would be a LOT tougher for them, and most would probably want todays American conveniences with an infusion of their version of old beliefs, customs, and rituals. Of course, if all the old tribes made a comeback and lived as they used to, there would probably be a lot of wars among each other to spice up the tough harsh life.

Sadly I am not ragging on Trump I have not posted imaginary things I just have posted actual events and statements I haven't posted about the Yemen Raid

So your not in support of all those thing ok whats your point ? that your right ... ?


this is what I said: As for Immigration both legal and illegal I dont take the Chicken little approach as many Trump supporters Take.. you get caught you get deported its called due process.... but if your ok with no due process that on you

but please Keep making things up .. and finding hidden messages in my post.. and please most of all keep supporting Trump at all cost's its telling

some give the impression.. as if no one gets deported

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Originally Posted by detbuch
Why must you be such an extremist? Nobody, except you, is saying "no one." Nor is anyone "looking for" a disregard of 100% of due process. Maybe you think extreme statements strengthen your argument? Actually, they weaken it--makes it look phony.

wdmso:Again you love stating things that are not there "some give the impression.. as if no one gets deported "if your not 1 of the Sum to whom I refer move on ...

What was not there was the "some." Who are the "some"? I have not heard of someone saying that "no one" is being deported. And if you sense an "impression" that "some" are saying that, it's not that the "some" are actually saying that or "giving" you anything other than what they actually say. "Some" are not "giving" you that impression, you are construing the impression in your own head.

wdmso:but clearly you haven't been listening to Trump prior to the election ..
Trump made immigration one of his highest-profile issues, saying he’d create a “special deportation task force” Mass-scale deportations

Is this an example of "some" saying "no one" is being deported? And, clearly, you haven't been listening to everything Trump said at various times including now, that he would start with the criminals. And would get to other as needed later.

wdmso:would upend parts of the economy, particularly in the agricultural sector, costing the government billions of dollars at a time of constrained finances. The wall would make a political statement but would do little to stop a major portion of new arrivals

The deportations are not en masse. They will be gradual. You aren't saying that deporting criminals will upend the economy, are you? And the expense of maintaining a permissive illegal alien policy is costing the government billions of dollars as it is. You're not looking at net/net. Just repeating hysterical talking points. His overall economic plan, including immigration policy as part of it, is forcasted by more optimistic (conservative?) economists to improve the economy . . . and therefor to create government revenue. If the wall helps a bit, and there is only conjecture that it won't help much, that's a plus. Anyway, the Congress mandated the wall to be built before Trump was elected. And the People voted on the premise that it would finally be built. If your the proponent on letting the people vote, as you've said, well, they did.

You're OK with the creation of sanctuary states.

wdmso:Let the people decide Vote

the people voted long ago. They decided that immigration was a Federal Exectutive domain. The President has the power to decide who can enter and stay in this country. Not the states.

You're OK with illegals remaining here and having fraudulent ID.

wdmso:they have had them for generations nothing new.. so have high school kids to get in to bars ..

As I said, you're OK with illegals remaining here and having fraudulent ID.

You're OK with states, rather than the Federal Government, having the power to decide who resides in their territory, and so being able to challenge or disregard any Federal Executive Order which conflicts with a state's desire in that manner.

wdmso:states rights thought conservatives where all about that

Conservatives are all about state's rights as given in the Constitution. For good or for bad, settled constitutional law gives the President, not the states the power to decide which aliens are allowed into this country.

You're OK with open borders, or no borders, with having an undefined country and undefined laws.

wdmso:imaginary conclusion by you

And You're not OK with corporations and banks "fleecing America" except You're OK with that in California because it helps to create a great GDP.

wdmso:another imaginary conclusion by you

I "imagined" the conclusion from the things you have been saying in this thread. And I pointed out how I came to that conclusion from your words. You have not shown how my "imagination" is wrong.