Iraq na Phobia

[Duke41]

President Moron is now trying to pick and choose the paletable parts of Bakers Iraq report and shove it down our throats. I expect him to go down as one of the worse presidents in our history and I voted for him the first time Kerry the second. He is the reason I revoked my lifelong membership in the Republician party. Anyways a poll for your views.

[fishpoopoo]

wrong fukking forum for this $hit.

[RIJIMMY]

none of the above.....but dont have an answer either

[Duke41]

Originally Posted by Bassturbed

wrong fukking forum for this $hit.

very nice..do you talk to your mother with that potty mouth son

[fishpoopoo]

at least I have a mother, instead of two fathers and a hole in the wall like you do.

[stripersnipr]

You really have to wonder about people who would choose to prosecute a sitting President for ambiguos war crimes in a time of war. Talk about handing the enemy a victory.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

You really have to wonder about people who would choose to prosecute a sitting President for ambiguos war crimes in a time of war. Talk about handing the enemy a victory.

In light of the fact that a majority of the World, including a majority of Americans believe the President led us to war for false reasons, therefore validating exactly what Bin Laden said we would do...

The near term victory has already been granted. Time will tell if we can take it away...

-spence

[Duke41]

for once I am with Spence !

[spence]

Originally Posted by Duke41

for once I am with Spence !

Stay for a while...you may like it here

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

In light of the fact that a majority of the World, including a majority of Americans believe the President led us to war for false reasons, therefore validating exactly what Bin Laden said we would do...

The near term victory has already been granted. Time will tell if we can take it away...

-spence

Bin Laden punches America in the face and then predicts America will punch back. That is validation?

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Bin Laden punches America in the face and then predicts America will punch back. That is validation?

It's a bit more nuanced than that...but you did just articulate his point!

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

It's a bit more nuanced than that...but you did just articulate his point!

-spence

Wow. Using that rationale Victory is easily achieved. So using that logic had we not responded to Terrorist attacks we would have been victorious in the War on Terrorism.

[stripersnipr]

The only victory Bin Laden has achieved is the false victory awarded to him by certain individuals in an effort to validate and further political agenda (quest for power).

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Wow. Using that rationale Victory is easily achieved. So using that logic had we not responded to Terrorist attacks we would have been victorious in the War on Terrorism.

Unfortunately, that's about the level of dialogue that's directed our foreign policy the past five years

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Unfortunately, that's about the level of dialogue that's directed our foreign policy the past five years

-spence

We spent the 90's in dialogue.

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

We spent the 90's in dialogue.

And it was during this period of "dialogue" that the omnipresent hatred for everything American grew and festered to the point that led to 9/11.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Bronko

And it was during this period of "dialogue" that the omnipresent hatred for everything American grew and festered to the point that led to 9/11.

Wow, that's a silly statement.

I'm assessing a 15 yard penalty for oversimplification abuse.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Wow, that's a silly statement.

I'm assessing a 15 yard penalty for oversimplification abuse.

-spence

I'm assessing a matching 15 yard penalty for Analysis Paralysis.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Bassturbed

wrong fukking forum for this $hit.

Duhhhh - Correct forum.... If you seriously have a problem with something use the "report post". Otherwise STFU as I seem to recall you said glad for the Poli forum as it would keep the rest cleaner...

(unless this was moved from parent forum in which case I take back the STFU part )

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

I'm assessing a matching 15 yard penalty for Analysis Paralysis.

Overruled by the Chair Umpire!

You don't undertake a global effort costing a trillion dollars and tens of thousands of lives without some basic understanding of what's understandable.

Well, Bush does...but you and I shouldn't

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Overruled by the Chair Umpire!

You don't undertake a global effort costing a trillion dollars and tens of thousands of lives without some basic understanding of what's understandable.

Well, Bush does...but you and I shouldn't

-spence

Come on, this isn't Tennis its Football. The time to partake in engaging dialouge and nuance study ended with the pre-season (September 11, 2001). The dialogue that remains should be on the level of our military leadership and field commanders. Let the quarterbacks call the plays and this game will be won. Bin Laden's true victory will come when America locks itself into an unwinnable debate over whether we should fight back or not.

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Come on, this isn't Tennis its Football. The time to partake in engaging dialouge and nuance study ended with the pre-season (September 11, 2001). The dialogue that remains should be on the level of our military leadership and field commanders. Let the quarterbacks call the plays and this game will be won. Bin Laden's true victory will come when America locks itself into an unwinnable debate over whether we should fight back or not.

Well said.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Let the quarterbacks call the plays and this game will be won. Bin Laden's true victory will come when America locks itself into an unwinnable debate over whether we should fight back or not.

Absurdity.

Even the neoconservatives who architected the strategy have blasted the quarterbacks for demonstrating near zero competence in calling plays.

This isn't about fighting versus not fighting back, it never was and it never will be.

The question is "how" we go about fighting back.

Do we follow a militarized pre-emptive doctrine rooted in idiological fantasy and executive arrogance?

...or do we use all our weapons including military, economic, polical to competently demonstrate by example why the US should be the leader in the world.

You're just rehashing divisive election year rhetoric

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Absurdity.

Even the neoconservatives who architected the strategy have blasted the quarterbacks for demonstrating near zero competence in calling plays.

This isn't about fighting versus not fighting back, it never was and it never will be.

The question is "how" we go about fighting back.

Do we follow a militarized pre-emptive doctrine rooted in idiological fantasy and executive arrogance?

...or do we use all our weapons including military, economic, polical to competently demonstrate by example why the US should be the leader in the world.

You're just rehashing divisive election year rhetoric

-spence

I'm hoping your definition of quarterback is different than mine but it may not be. I define the Quarterback as the guy on the field making the plays as in Generals on down and last I heard it wasn't the Neocons criticizing them. I dont trust politicians, be it Kerry, Pelosi, Rumsfeld or Bush to win wars. I'll trust the most efficient, effective military machine in the world to win wars. Let them do what they know needs to be done and we will have a real victory. The party that most allows our soldiers to win gets my vote. And if you think differing opinions are divisive you'd best learn to deal with the division because it aint changing.

[Duke41]

Originally Posted by Bassturbed

at least I have a mother, instead of two fathers and a hole in the wall like you do.

You sir are a pig

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by spence

Wow, that's a silly statement.

I'm assessing a 15 yard penalty for oversimplification abuse.

-spence

For you to throw a flag would mean you are a referee. You are at most a commentator, and a biased one at that.

["uffah!!"]

Dems fairy-tail

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

I define the Quarterback as the guy on the field making the plays as in Generals on down and last I heard it wasn't the Neocons criticizing them.

It's a better fit certainly, but I avoided the parallel because it simply doesn't work.

The US Military has been hamstrung by poor policy since the fall of Saddam, and perhaps much before.

Try as hard as our Military can (and I do believe they are giving it their all) they have been put into a situation where their skills and effort are not enough to win on their own. There is no military end game in Iraq, nor the War on Terror.

If your vote truly goes towards those that give the troops what they need to win, they you should be outraged those you probably voted for sent them on an unplanned, mismatched mission with weak justification in Iraq...and were not allowed to finish the mission in Afghanistan.

-spence

["uffah!!"]

We wouldn't be in this position, if the job was completed in 1991 when we had 580,000 troops there. But the Dems were crying about the 10 or 15 troops we lost then, and its the same Dems that want us out now.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

If your vote truly goes towards those that give the troops what they need to win, they you should be outraged those you probably voted for sent them on an unplanned, mismatched mission with weak justification in Iraq...and were not allowed to finish the mission in Afghanistan.

-spence

I probably would be outraged if I didn't know that we have the best equipped, supplied, and trained military in history. But that can be debated/discussed/studied ad nauseum when we set up a few dozen committees, commissions, inquiries and investigations into the root causes. I'm sure Terrorism will give us a timeout until we conclude the proceedings.