704Z modification for line roller? - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Yudi · 03-04-2016, 07:18 PM

I'm new here, perhaps I didn't use the search well.

I still fish a good ol' 704Z. It's MPU (70's style with the carbaloy roller), simply drilled to expel water and sand, and I use the side plate from a greenie which is metal.

While the crosswind could be improved, the line lay doesn't bother me as much as the line roller. I would love to modify the arm assembly and put a 706 roller with bearing on my 704.

All in all, doesn't look too hard to do conceptually with some aluminum angle, but I don't have a bridgeport, and the the roller needs to bury into the arm or the line will catch on the shoulder.

Any thoughts on this, contacts for the machining application would be much appreciated.

Maybe I should add...should I even worry about this? Does it matter that the roller doesn't really turn well with fireline and especially braid?

Playin Hooky · 03-04-2016, 07:46 PM

Give Dave Morton a call at Beavertail Rod & Reel Repair.

beavertailrodandreel.com

Yudi · 03-04-2016, 08:17 PM

thanks for the lead, I've sent him a message.

bart · 03-04-2016, 08:47 PM

Yeah call Dave Morton. he makes custom bailless kits or he'll order one for you. He's the man. Tell him Bart sent you.

401.215.5062

Yudi · 03-04-2016, 09:47 PM

gentleman, thanks.

I had some trouble with getting info from his web site. A quick google gave me some more info.

Sounds like a perfect match for I'm looking for. Actually, I might ask him about that crosswind/traverse arm as well.

Best,
Dave

Yudi · 03-05-2016, 10:29 AM

What a fantastic fellow. He is going to work up a mod and let me field test it for him.

JohnR · 03-05-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Yudi

What a fantastic fellow. He is going to work up a mod and let me field test it for him.

Pretty good deal

Dave Ri · 03-05-2016, 06:11 PM

Yudi ,

I am already on it taking dimensions from the original 704 arm with provisions to make the roller end larger to accommodate the counter bore for the roller to be recessed into the arm .

Yudi · 03-05-2016, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Ri

Yudi ,

I am already on it taking dimensions from the original 704 arm with provisions to make the roller end larger to accommodate the counter bore for the roller to be recessed into the arm .

All I can say is thank you to everyone and especially Dave Ri for taking this on.

piemma · 03-06-2016, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Ri

Yudi ,

I am already on it taking dimensions from the original 704 arm with provisions to make the roller end larger to accommodate the counter bore for the roller to be recessed into the arm .

Hey Dave, make me one also. I have at least 7 704 greenies and 4 704Z. I usually fish my VS200 in the surf but I'm an old guy who is old school and still love 704s.
I'll call you Monday if you need a deposit.

Dave Ri · 03-06-2016, 07:15 AM

Piemma.

I will make a few for you guys to try if you like them we move on . I am very busy right now with pre season service so i will get on it asap . I have a few old 704 arms that will be sacrificed in the development stage but i am hoping this will workout . I look forward to working with all here .

bart · 03-06-2016, 12:19 PM

Dave, I'll take one, too if you have an extra. Thanks!

Rob

tattoobob · 03-06-2016, 04:58 PM

I'll also take 1 or 2 if there are some left over

Dave Ri · 03-06-2016, 06:19 PM

ok guys , going to start drawing up what i need tonight , new 706 rollers on order now , should be here this week , so progress is being made .

DZ · 03-07-2016, 11:27 AM

You can still get these at a few locations. Not sure if the 706 roller would fit on them.
http://www.causewaybaitandtackle.com...t__p-1883.aspx

Yudi · 03-07-2016, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DZ

You can still get these at a few locations. Not sure if the 706 roller would fit on them.
http://www.causewaybaitandtackle.com...t__p-1883.aspx

Thanks.

These MPU kits use the 704 roller with no bearing. You cannot put the 706 roller onto the arm as the shoulder wouldn't be buried in the arm and the line will catch.

The 704 roller just doesn't turn well with braid at all. Slightly better with fireline. Not sure it even really matters, but it is something that has always bothered me, and I would prefer not to find out the hard way.

The 704 roller works just fine with mono, but I cannot see myself going back to mono anymore.

ed morini · 03-08-2016, 01:50 PM

please put me down for at least two when they become available. If you need a deposit, pm me and I will send what you need.

Thanks

Ed

pbadad · 03-12-2016, 06:23 AM

What a great find. Dave great question and as always the SB guys are the best.

Yudi · 03-12-2016, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by pbadad

What a great find. Dave great question and as always the SB guys are the best.

Hi Bill, wouldn't have found SB if it weren't for the conversations we've had which led me to the CSA for research.

Thanks!

Hope your arm is getting better.

Yudi · 10-20-2016, 11:59 AM

We have a prototype. Dave does nice work. I am trying to figure out how to post a picture, maybe Dave will.

Yudi · 10-20-2016, 06:06 PM

Here are some pics

pbadad · 10-20-2016, 06:29 PM

Dave ' s that's a new bracket w/roller?

Yudi · 10-20-2016, 06:58 PM

Yes Billy, the arm is new, it's kept as close to the original as possible to fit the same. It is lengthened and then milled to accept the 706 roller with bearing. Made of 304 stainless. Dave Morton of Beavertail rod and reel (Dave RI) did the work.

Definitely improves braid line management on the 704.

pbadad · 10-21-2016, 06:45 AM

I wonder if Dave had any request to convert a VSB to a MPU .

Yudi · 10-21-2016, 07:28 PM

Dave does lots of different things. If you want one of these line roller modifications contact Dave Morton.

Beavertail Rod and Reel
Dave Morton
401.215.5062

He can make you an arm with a 706 roller for your 704. He does other things as well. He can put in an IAR for instance. He is a tool maker by trade so he can do the IAR mod with high precision and he hardens the shaft to handle it. Feel free to pass on his information. 710 will be in the works soon and perhaps a crosswind modification to improve line lay on the 704.

He has a CNC machining center and can do very high precision work. He does all kinds of repairs on rods and reels and he is a local guy in North Kingstown. So if you may have other things you want to do, give him a call.

I sure am glad I did, on the advice of others here. Thanks to all.

Best,
Dave

pbadad · 10-22-2016, 07:28 AM

Thanks Dave.

Dave Ri · 10-25-2016, 04:36 PM

Guys ,

I have permission from John to let everyone know if you are interested in the bail arm conversions as well as other Penn conversions for pricing . My information has been attached below . Thank you!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yudi

Dave does lots of different things. If you want one of these line roller modifications contact Dave Morton.

Beavertail Rod and Reel
Dave Morton
401.215.5062

He can make you an arm with a 706 roller for your 704. He does other things as well. He can put in an IAR for instance. He is a tool maker by trade so he can do the IAR mod with high precision and he hardens the shaft to handle it. Feel free to pass on his information. 710 will be in the works soon and perhaps a crosswind modification to improve line lay on the 704.

He has a CNC machining center and can do very high precision work. He does all kinds of repairs on rods and reels and he is a local guy in North Kingstown. So if you may have other things you want to do, give him a call.

I sure am glad I did, on the advice of others here. Thanks to all.

Best,
Dave