I saw a seal today at one of my favorate spring spots ,I never seen one there before ,seems like every year theres more and more, Has anyone else noticed this ? How big of a striper can a full size seal take down , I saw one about three years ago munchin on at least a 24 " one like an ear of corn
I saw a bunch of them at the race during the MBBA conservation project. They seemed to be following tagger. I wish we could train them to go after bloos only.
Guys, you may have notice people such as Karl, Slipnot, Rappin' Mikey (among others) and myself decrying seals, and we're not joking - they are a serious threat. If you're seeing them it's only a matter of time until they start taking your fish, and they'll take any size - I've had a 25# snatched from me, know of guys losing larger, even a tuna in the 20# class that a guy had released. If you are seeing the big grey seals (aka horsehead seal) the males weigh in at 4-600+ pounds. There is no pressure on the seal population from predation, so it is exploding. They are eating machines, and after they have eaten all of the easy targets such as skate, fluke, sand dab, etc., they are going to learn to watch you for a bent rod. Bass are easier targets for them than blues because the bass on your line will just wallow out there, while a blue will zig and zag, and the blues even though they are hooked, when they see that seal coming the hook in the mouth becomes a secondary concern to them - you can tell when a seal is after your blue because the blue will act just like a herring with a bass after it.
If you guys are seeing them for the first time, I would estimate your window to be 3-5 years. Sightings will go from being a novelty, to a common occurrence, to nuisance once other food sources become depleted. First it was Nauset, then the rest of the back, then the islands and it would be logical to assume that adjoining areas are next. It is a sad state of affairs.
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All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.
You will not catch a bass big enough that they won't eat it off your line....simple as that.
I agree with the timeline stated above.....on the back beach they were a novelty item for a while. Around 2002 a guy I fish with had a seal grab a fish from the end of his line and we all laughed at what we thought was the story of a lifetime.
They drive me nuts...last year I lost to Beachmasters fishing in the dark on Chatham...even at night they still do the same thing. There is no winning.
I have seen the big behemoths off the beach at Wasque tossing around bass and albies like they were basketballs. Coming up underneath them and snouting them into the air and catching them.
Imagine the PETA protests that would occur if a bill/law was introduced to cull the herd to preserve the rec/comm fishing seasons.
Imagine the skyrocketing rifle/shotguns sales that would occur. I can hear it now. Couple of dudes in thier pickups, parked on a dirt road next to some cranberry bog at the end of deer season talking about when seal season opens, and getting real excited.
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The Canadians have noticed that the seals rip out and eat the bellies of cod fish. I was wondering if it is the same for bass and other fish. The fish scientists never seam to find any large bones as i understand it. Maybe the seals just want the livers.
They eat the whole friggin thing - small ones whole, big ones they strip the fillets then swallow the rack. I've had them come along and grab the racks that I have dumped and suck them down. They won't eat bluefish heads, though. I don't know if it is because of the teeth or the plugs sticking out.
The reason the belly was torn out of the blue in the vid is when the seal seized it that's where he got his mouth around, and in the subsequent tug of war the belly tore out and the seal was content with that mouthful (for the minute).
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just wait.. nature has funny ways of fixing it self. more sharks will eventually find them.
of course since sharks aren't cute and cuddly we will then have a "shark problem" and measure will be taken to rid our waters of the evil killing machines feeding on the cute little seal babies.
There he stands, draped in more equipment than a telephone lineman, trying to outwit an organism with a brain no bigger than a breadcrumb, and getting licked in the process. ~Paul O'Neil, 1965
Here's a thought..... Since people have been catching (and killing) sharks for food and fun, we had already set the stage for this type of explosive growth of seal population. Secondly, since"we" had enected strict rules for the harvest of specific fish species, we allowed those species to make somewhat of a comeback, providing plenty of feeding opportunities for the seals. (see the vicious circle?)
If the seals are not a completely indigenous species 'round these parts, but more of a migrating species, then why not push them back towards a migratory lifestyle..... by allowing culling of the heards.
If the seals feel threatened, they should leave the area, and if they are threatened enough, maybe leave for good.
Think about it: Exactly what purpose do the seals fill in our watery environment? At least the sharks help clean the ocean of dead/dying animals. When was the last time you saw a shark attack a fish on your line or heard of seals doing ANYTHING except looking cute with those puppy-dog eyes?
All the "touchy-feely" tree-huggin, PETA-lovin weirdos will be singing a different song when the seals start wiping out ground fish along their favorite "private beaches" and the seals take over the beach and turn it into a festering cesspool. This is our real-life "nature-gone-wild" scenario, and we can't do a thing (legally).
All the "touchy-feely" tree-huggin, PETA-lovin weirdos will be singing a different song when the seals start wiping out ground fish along their favorite "private beaches" and the seals take over the beach and turn it into a festering cesspool.
just wait.. nature has funny ways of fixing it self. more sharks will eventually find them.
More likely it will be disease or a virus that controls the seal population.
Just recently out on the west coast authorities found quite a few dead sea lions that were shot and killed around the steelhead runs.
I can envision that happening here.
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All the "touchy-feely" tree-huggin, PETA-lovin weirdos will be singing a different song when the seals start wiping out ground fish along their favorite "private beaches" and the seals take over the beach and turn it into a festering cesspool.
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We already beat the seals to that.
Likwid, maybe you haven't noticed Pleasant Bay and P-Town harbor, I understand your point though, but the seals have a LARGE part in the loss of flounder in Pleasant bay. And I don't like swimming in seal poop anymore than anyone else
We have to ask ourselves who is more important in the food chain, seals or us? I know which way I lean.
To slip thats true likwid, but seals are having an impact on commercial fisheries, and that is not a luxury.
Bryan
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In the grand scheme of things? They are.
Fish are a luxury for you.
This isn't SE Asia where you catch a fish to feed your family for 3 days.
not yet
but if we keep going away from producing food, then we will be in trouble as a nation.
I find the deceasing farming in the country scary. We should be producing more food not less.
What purpose do seals on Cape Cod serve? are they food for other animals? no, they're poop is food for cod which just gives them worms. They just eat everything in sight and cause more problems than they are worth and you or anyone else will never change my mind, they can survive somewhere else and contribute to their grand scheme. I can easily fish elsewhere for my luxury as you call it , and I can buy fish at the market since I can afford it but I choose to catch my own sometimes. If we are forced to share the beach with those bacteria dirty animals, then so be it.
They just eat everything in sight and cause more problems than they are worth and you or anyone else will never change my mind, they can survive somewhere else and contribute to their grand scheme.
They've existed like this in Maine and I don't hear mainers complaining about them. They're EVERYWHERE in downeast maine, always have been.
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I can easily fish elsewhere for my luxury as you call it
It *is* a luxury though. You're not starving, you don't HAVE to fish. You won't go hungry if you DON'T fish. You blow hundreds of dollars on making plugs and van staals and whatnot. You don't get up in the morning and say "if I don't go fishing my family will starve today."
Everything you've said here could be said about humans anyways.
They just declared Polar Bears endangered. They eat seals. I see a solution. Ship a few (tens of) thousand north to Canada and put them with the Polar Bears as the only obstacle between them and the sea. Nature will sort the rest.
Besides, it would be an obscure revenge for the bass demolished in the New England Aquarium Big Dig Massacre
ugggghhh don't get me started on seals 
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