Ummm,,,,Ahhhh...Um...Ahhhhh....Ummmm

[Bill L]

Not very impressive

[spence]

I bit dry, some good humor and some very good responses. What does impress me is that he obviously understands the issues for which he's responsible for making decisions, and can articulate his position well.

What exactly were you looking for?

-spence

[Duke41]

Spence what is this, are you and I on the same page for once.
Am I getting in touch with my inner liberal? lol

[PaulS]

I was out not catching anything.

[keeperreaper]

Not the best public speaker ever to hold position thats for sure.

[RIJIMMY]

I watched for 10 minutes and then left the room. Seriosuly, what a bore. He still constantly sounds like he is campaigning!

[JohnR]

I didn't see it but I want to do a Spencism here:

Parahprasing, err, Spencerphrasing here:

"Well, obviously that was a problem or two, but overall, what fantastic effort, breaking the paradigm while reaching to all parties in an effort to forward the global commons. I'm impressed at this part Abe Lincoln, part Bill Gates, part Gandhi like figure."


Spencism: Start off with partial agreemement to establish commonality with poster, than redirect to other flowery aspects, real or imagined"

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I didn't see it but I want to do a Spencism here:

Parahprasing, err, Spencerphrasing here:

"Well, obviously that was a problem or two, but overall, what fantastic effort, breaking the paradigm while reaching to all parties in an effort to forward the global commons. I'm impressed at this part Abe Lincoln, part Bill Gates, part Gandhi like figure."


Spencism: Start off with partial agreemement to establish commonality with poster, than redirect to other flowery aspects, real or imagined"

BING F'N GO!

You have just nailed it! I was trying to put it into words, but you did a much better job than I would have.

[Bill L]

and can articulate his position well.

Are you serious?

I guess I was hoping to see a President who could, umm, well, ahh, articulate himself well on a series of softball questions.

To be honest, I turned it on at 8:30 and the first question I saw was related to Rush Limbaugh and the state of the Republican Party. OK, thats real important. A couple more question, one about what was he most surprised, humbled, enchanted, etc., which he proceded to stumbled through (BTW, with all the chuckling with this one, was this what you think was "good humor"?). Then one on abortion, which he hemmed and hawed some more while answering. I couldn't watch anymore after that.

Like Jimmy said, it seemed like he was still campaigning and playing politics.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Spencism: Start off with partial agreemement to establish commonality with poster, than redirect to other flowery aspects, real or imagined"

What was imagined? I guess you don't think Obama has a good comprehension of the issues?

What you take for commonality I regard as objectivity. I'm simply calling it like I see it...

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

JohnR, thats f'in brilliant

[RIJIMMY]

Bill, those are the exact same parts I saw. The abortion part was hilarious, what the hell was his point?

[JohnnyD]

For someone that's fed everything from a teleprompter, he did a good job of creating the illusion that he was actually thinking of a response.

I miss the old days of a President that made up words, mispronounced anything over 2 syllables and often mixed up the two countries he decided to invade.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

For someone that's fed everything from a teleprompter, he did a good job of creating the illusion that he was actually thinking of a response.

I miss the old days of a President that made up words, mispronounced anything over 2 syllables and often mixed up the two countries he decided to invade.

That's exactly the point, Obama is actually thinking up responses to the questions rather than just reciting the same tired talking points.

-spence

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by spence

That's exactly the point, Obama is actually thinking up responses to the questions rather than just reciting the same tired talking points.

-spence

Spence he thought those answers up after the New York Times and the other rags emailed them to him. Your right he didn't need a prompt for that news conference. Enchanted............right

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

For someone that's fed everything from a teleprompter, he did a good job of creating the illusion that he was actually thinking of a response.

I miss the old days of a President that made up words, mispronounced anything over 2 syllables and often mixed up the two countries he decided to invade.

come on guys, you;re trying way to hard. If someone in my workplace attended a meeting and answered questions like that he'd be labeled an idiot. Trust me, people have, and we call the idiots.

stop comparing him to Bush, compare him to good leaders.

[JohnR]

Spence, what I mean is that (almost) regardless of the subject, if it is critical of the left you start off with a tiny slice of agreement and then drive the topic of discussion to other points, real or imagined.

No harm no foul. Like I said, I didn't even watch the event, so I cannot (and did not) form an opinion. But I did know how the flow and rhythm (a/k/a thr Spencism) would be for your response .

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Spence, what I mean is that (almost) regardless of the subject, if it is critical of the left you start off with a tiny slice of agreement and then drive the topic of discussion to other points, real or imagined.

No harm no foul. Like I said, I didn't even watch the event, so I cannot (and did not) form an opinion. But I did know how the flow and rhythm (a/k/a thr Spencism) would be for your response .

Well, I work as a consultant focused on executive value messaging. I'd just take this as good discipline in forming arguments, which need to be properly structured to be consistently effective.

If this is somehow unique enough that it deserves a personalized ummm proper'ism, then I must be even more special than I had previously thought

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, I work as a consultant focused on executive value messaging. I'd just take this as good discipline in forming arguments, which need to be properly structured to be consistently effective.

If this is somehow unique enough that it deserves a personalized ummm proper'ism, then I must be even more special than I had previously thought

-spence

Yuze makin' mah point.

You probably can fix all the world's problems in PowerPoint too

Sorry Spence, just making a note that your cadance, err, executive value messaging in debate, is pretty consistent. I suppose that is pretty good in many arenas

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, I work as a consultant focused on executive value messaging. I'd just take this as good discipline in forming arguments, which need to be properly structured to be consistently effective.

If this is somehow unique enough that it deserves a personalized ummm proper'ism, then I must be even more special than I had previously thought

-spence

This explains a lot!
You are actually trained in "double-speak".
Hell, you actually make your living at it....
You should write speeches for Obama, you compose very eloquent posts that almost make a point/decision, but there always seems to be that "back door" to be able to "deny it all".....

Don't take this wrong Spence, you are one of the more competent liberals I've ran into to. Always a fun debate......

[JohnnyD]

eastendlu,

Quite frankly, it didn't matter what happened during the press conference. Regardless of what happened or what was said, someone would have made a post critical of it and the "Let's hate anything Obama does" crowd jumps on the bandwagon.

Posts like this just make it clear that they're reaching for straws. People will bitch and complain about anything. I'm surprised we haven't heard any complaints about what the Obamas have chosen to put in their vegetable garden.

While legitimate concerns about some of Obama's policies do exist, much of it gets drowned out by the noise of pissing and moaning over because "he says ummm too much".

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

eastendlu,

Quite frankly, it didn't matter what happened during the press conference. Regardless of what happened or what was said, someone would have made a post critical of it and the "Let's hate anything Obama does" crowd jumps on the bandwagon.

Posts like this just make it clear that they're reaching for straws. People will bitch and complain about anything. I'm surprised we haven't heard any complaints about what the Obamas have chosen to put in their vegetable garden.

While legitimate concerns about some of Obama's policies do exist, much of it gets drowned out by the noise of pissing and moaning over because "he says ummm too much".

Ummm Ahhh Ummmm.. sounds like the Bush bashers to me.

Not enough variety....


http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/200...is-that-funny/

[Bill L]

Posts like this just make it clear that they're reaching for straws. People will bitch and complain about anything......While legitimate concerns about some of Obama's policies do exist, much of it gets drowned out by the noise of pissing and moaning over because "he says ummm too much".

Not pissing or moaning, just said I wasn't impressed. If he's as sharp as you say he is you'd think he could put two sentences together a little quicker.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Bill L

Not pissing or moaning, just said I wasn't impressed. If he's as sharp as you say he is you'd think he could put two sentences together a little quicker.

Sounds like you're asserting you believe you're smarter and more articulate?

-spence

[Bill L]

Sounds like you're asserting you believe you're smarter and more articulate?

Yeah, that's it, I think I'm smarter than the President

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Sounds like you're asserting you believe you're smarter and more articulate?

-spence

I know your smarter and more articulate.

[Nebe]

hes a better speaker than the last sucker to have that job...

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by Nebe

hes a better speaker than the last sucker to have that job...

Yes, that is true, but when Bush spoke, I feel it came more from his heartfelt beliefs (even if you think they were misguided). He made so many mistakes speaking, because he did speak a lot from his feelings without the benefit of utilizing the brain. I thought he was one of those guys, like a 1/2 educated farmer, that would do anything to provide for his family and country. I saw him speak twice at the Naval War College while on active duty and during the question and answers after his speeches, he showed me that he was very patriotic, had a deep love for this country, and would do just about anything to protect this land.

I have yet to see Obama speak besides on tv, so I havent been able to get a real feel for him. From the speeches I have seen, it seems like I'm listening to a lawyer, very well chosen words, and sometimes his words don't seem to be reflected in his eyes. Eerily, reminds me of my days as a cop, when guys would tell the suspect that they were trying to help him, by getting all of the facts or he wasn't your main target (to get more info), when all you really wanted was to get that punk behind bars. When he says something I feel that he means something slightly or completely different. Not trying to be anti Obama, but I can't seem to trust him. I feel like he as good as Clinton at telling lies.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

Yes, that is true, but when Bush spoke, I feel it came more from his heartfelt beliefs (even if you think they were misguided).

In one sentence, you have completely explained why Bush was the biggest failure of a president.

Being a business owner, I see running a government as not much unlike running a business. Every decision needs to be precisely calculated to produce the most optimal results. Every action or policy put into place must produce the maximum benefit to, not only the company, but also the customer. This is where Bush failed.

I agree that in many aspects, many of Bush's actions stemmed from heartfelt beliefs. However, it is my opinion that almost *all* of Bush's policies were based on his "heartfelt belief" as opposed to calculated decisions.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I agree that in many aspects, many of Bush's actions stemmed from heartfelt beliefs. However, it is my opinion that almost *all* of Bush's policies were based on his "heartfelt belief" as opposed to calculated decisions.

Or worse, the heartfelt beliefs of those around him.

Example.

Bush (protect the American people) + Advisers (democratize the Middle East) = Policy (protect the American people by democratizing the Middle Ease)

I think Bush came across as genuine for many because he believed most of what he was saying. He did though appear to lack the intellectual curiosity to dive into issues and explore the various facets. He was more apt to simply take things for what they appeared to be (or was told) and if he felt he was making the right decision he would be clear with this choice.

This works fine when everything is rosy, but I think proven to be dramatically insufficient when dealing with the complex problems that he was presented with. The world isn't black and white but they tried to make it out to be so as to be easier for the American people to swallow.

-spence