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BigFish · 12-30-2007, 12:42 AM

Of the Dynasty??? Anyone not a believer??? They are the greatest team ever put on the field (lets not subject that to the era they play in or the era other teams played in) they are simply the best team that I have ever seen!!!!

Raider Ronnie · 12-30-2007, 09:37 AM

No question,
2007 team will go down as one of the greatest ever if they win the super bowl.
But impossible to say greatest ever with different eras, rules,talent levels, amount of money players are getting.

Andy D · 12-30-2007, 10:10 AM

Not a Pats fan by any means but they are one of if not the best teams ever IMO . But as a football fan that was probably the best FOOTBALL game of the season. Congrats to the Pats.

BigFish · 12-30-2007, 11:37 AM

Karl I agree 100%....if they don't win it all......it will most definitely be a sidenote! Win the Superbowl and it will be the season that all others are measured by!

Raider Ronnie · 12-30-2007, 11:47 AM

I'm looking forward to watching a Pats - Colts rematch.

BigFish · 12-30-2007, 12:07 PM

It won't be as close as the last game Ronnie! Pats will crush them!

Mike P · 12-30-2007, 12:07 PM

If the Browns make the playoffs today, the Pats will have beaten every AFC playoff team, plus two from the NFC, during the season.

Going 16-0 against that kind of a schedule is a tremendous feat and probably won't ever be matched.

As compared to the 14-0 Dolphins who didn't face a winning team until the AFC playoffs? No comparison.

Slipknot · 12-30-2007, 12:25 PM

Yep, if they go all the way, with what they will have accomplished, anyone who doesn't think they are the greatest ever and thinks it's the Niners or Bears or God forbid the 72 Fins, they would need their head examined and take off the rose colored glasses because what the Pats faced this year will never be repeated again in our lifetimes.
Congrats Pats on the 16 and 0 now on to the post season, I can't wait and I will be one of the 69,000 12th players' in the house

ProfessorM · 12-30-2007, 06:19 PM

Have to agree with Raider Ron on this one Larry. I can't see that game as a 3 touchdown win. I have had a feeling all year that the Colts will beat the Pats when it counts the most. Hope I'm wrong.

Goose · 12-30-2007, 07:01 PM

Mike I thought you converted,,guess not.

The Dad Fisherman · 12-31-2007, 12:10 PM

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Joe Gibbs....I personally think he is one of the Best Coaches ever....top 3 for sure....right along with Belichek.

Gibbs one 3 superbowls with 3 different QB's...

Shula's a Hack....guy couldn't win a Superbowl with one of the Best QB's to ever play the game.

The Dad Fisherman · 12-31-2007, 07:49 PM

Before we start arguing who the Greatest coach is should we define what make a Coach Great. Is it his Career Win/Loss totals? is it his Championships won? Once you define what it takes then you can say who is the Greatest

wrikerjr · 12-31-2007, 07:59 PM

Dad fisherman,

I think it is a multiple of those that you suggested, but I like the way this thread is heading.

Some of those items will be uncalculated, like winning with less talent and various other things.

Motivation, Drafting ability, etc.

Many things that make a great coach come through all facets of the organization so it is difficult to say.

Obvious one's would inlude championships. To be a great coach you need to have won at least one championship and if you have multiple then you are doing something to be included with the greats.

ProfessorM · 12-31-2007, 11:02 PM

Can't argue that. No way no how

BigFish · 12-31-2007, 11:09 PM

I will say Brady is better than Montana without hesitation! Give Moss a few more seasons catching Brady and they will be the best tandem ever...better than Montana and Rice!

Right now...not yet!

Rice was alot different receiver than Moss though......his yards after the catch were awesome! He was always on the fly when Montana hit him! Rice is one of my all-time favorites!

Goose · 01-01-2008, 11:35 AM

Outside NE it seems like the more knowlegdable football fans are slowly giving the Pats their props, what choice do they have at this point. Belicheck has won with nobodies and stars, beside going 19-0 what more can he do. I can see why its tuff to measure greatness in the same way it hard to measure jealousy

Fishin' Blues · 01-02-2008, 08:40 AM

I'm throwing Bill Parcells into this. I hate the guy for the way he left the Pats, and I love that "I just swallowed a turd" look he has when he loses, but think about his legacy. Besides the two Super Bowls, he has spawned the careers of many head coaches. Arguably, you could say that without Parcells there'd be no Bill Belichick, Charlie Weis, Tom Coughlin, Romeo Crennel, Dan Henning, Al Groh, Sean Payton, and I'm sure a few more that I've forgotten.

Mike P · 01-02-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishin' Blues

I'm throwing Bill Parcells into this. I hate the guy for the way he left the Pats, and I love that "I just swallowed a turd" look he has when he loses, but think about his legacy. Besides the two Super Bowls, he has spawned the careers of many head coaches. Arguably, you could say that without Parcells there'd be no Bill Belichick, Charlie Weis, Tom Coughlin, Romeo Crennel, Dan Henning, Al Groh, Sean Payton, and I'm sure a few more that I've forgotten.

He also did what no one else has done in the last 25 years---coached the Jets into the AFC championship game

justplugit · 12-30-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl F

so, my point is, if you don't win all the marbles.. it's.. oh well, nice season, too bad you lost.

Congats Pats.

You nailed it Karl. Our group 4 football team,way back when, went undefeated for
3 years until our senior year when we lost the final state playoff.
That loss still sticks in my mind and nightmares 50 years later.
It's either all the marbles or, "you guys had a good team"