Does it make you angry that the Striper industry...

[Krispy]

Has created a commercial platform that gains from the continued sales of must have products, misinformation, flat out lies to keep its fishermen spending in their attempt achieve the successes of purported guides and mystic sharpie gurus?

[Crafty Angler]

Hmmm...20+ views, but no hits...

There's a couple acting curious and eyeing the bait...

I dunno, Chris, ya might pick up a short or two....the rest are neutral to negative, I think...

[redcrbbr]

Chris, I think you can find that going on in about every industry, from must have George Foreman super grills to Teddy Bruschi life insurance. If so and so recommends it, it must work, right! Buyer beware so the saying goes.

[Krispy]

Seriously, consider this.
There's what, a few hundred guys catching large consecutively every season, yet we're sold millions of lures, books, clothing, seminars, etc. Like lemings, bitches to the system, cuckolded by the industry machine that holds us down witholding the knowledge about how to catch while selling fishermen a bridge with the other hand.
REVOLT!!
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[Raven]

selling a bridge to no where

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Krispy

Seriously, consider this.
There's what, a few hundred guys catching large consecutively every season, yet we're sold millions of lures, books, clothing, seminars, etc. Like lemings, bitches to the system, cuckolded by the industry machine that holds us down witholding the knowledge about how to catch while selling fishermen a bridge with the other hand.
REVOLT!!
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no different than any other industry. Look at musical instruments, tons of magazines, videos, books, gear all with the latest and greatest way to get better, and all it really takes is time, dedication and practice. Same things to be successful in any endeavor.

[Back Beach]

You think fishing is bad, you should visit my pro shop some time...

I hope NIB isn't offended by my post...

PLAID PANTS FOREVER!!!!!!

[MikeToole]

Doesn't bother me in the least.

I go to the shows and just about all of the speakers are at least entertaining. Some are funny as hell (Al and Zeno). There not twisting your arm to buy their book or product. Gives me something to do in the winter.

[JohnR]

Gee, Krispy, almost sounds like you are about to launch a tackle company (again ).

It's tough, I get people all the time saying how the fisher population is doing a disservice to themselves because they have not taken advantage of the "Fisher Widget" and I'm standing in the way of progress because I don't allow them to advertise their "Fisher Widget".

Their are different pain thresholds for different people I suppose. And I also suppose people need to find their own threshold.

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[Krispy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Gee, Krispy, almost sounds like you are about to launch a tackle company (again ).

It's tough, I get people all the time saying how the fisher population is doing a disservice to themselves because they have not taken advantage of the "Fisher Widget" and I'm standing in the way of progress because I don't allow them to advertise their "Fisher Widget".

Their are different pain thresholds for different people I suppose. And I also suppose people need to find their own threshold.

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I'm saying F the tackle co., screw the publishers, burn the shops, and boycott the speakers!
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Krispy

I'm saying F the tackle co., screw the publishers, burn the shops, and boycott the speakers!
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Like anything else in life, pick & choose what you want and disregard the rest. Also remember that you are in a far different part of your journey than you were 10 years ago.

It's (usually) a fun ride

[Krispy]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

and all it really takes is time, dedication and practice. Same things to be successful in any endeavor.

Is it really, or are ygr brainwashed masses just perpetuating the myths we're sold. Its not time on the water, its your timing on the water!
We are told the elite are talented, but its merely tactical. Whose selling that info? No one.
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[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Krispy

Is it really, or are ygr brainwashed masses just perpetuating the myths we're sold. Its not time on the water, its your timing on the water!
We are told the elite are talented, but its merely tactical. Whose selling that info? No one.
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but how would you know the "timing" on the water unless you spent time on the water to find that out? Its experience, you cant buy that and no one can sell it to you.

[Joe]

In the grand scheme, after we die - all will be forgotten and only good things will be said.
So we've got that going for us.
Human Nature is such that people typically only hold things against each other for the rest of their lives - death is the great redeemer.

[Nebe]

Smoke and mirrors works until the sea breeze kicks in.. Then all that you see is yourself.
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[Diamondwrapper]

Originally Posted by Krispy

Has created a commercial platform that gains from the continued sales of must have products, misinformation, flat out lies to keep its fishermen spending in their attempt achieve the successes of purported guides and mystic sharpie gurus?

If they can catch fish, good for them. If you can't, don't blame them, blame yourself.

[ivanputski]

as a fisherman, you should know that just because the bait is presented, doesn't mean the fish HAS to bite... Be the one that got away...

[redlite]

[nightfighter]

Krispy,
IMHO, the industry targeting striped bass isn't even totally organized as a whole. If you wanna get get your brain fried, take a few turns in the tuna gear industry..... and bring your bank, all of it!

[JohnR]

What I know is:

1. I should be a lot better than I am for time spent on the water - some guys with a lot less time are better than I am. I'm just a slow learner.
2. I don't spend anywhere enough time on the water
3. See item (1).

As far as tactics go, depends on what you goal is. Is your goal to catch lots and lots of monster fish? Then your tactic is not to spend every night chunking Queen Cocahoes at Conimicut Light. Is your goal to catch big fish on plugs you've made? Slay large on eels while wetsuitng from rocks? Catching bright little fish on plastics?

Your goal may not be the same goal as Joe Angler. You tactics will be different.

Do what makes you happy and where you will extract your enjoyment and disregard the rest.

Lots of people will say they have the Must Get Widget. Some will work, some will work for others, some are just blowing smoke.

[rizzo]

Everything got old a long time ago. I used to get really upset about articles written by so called experts that were completely off the mark. I wanted to argue with them, prove them wrong. Got sick of all the BS, catch reports, marketing the wrong gear, know it alls, egos, posers, blah blah. It used to really get to me. Learned to filter it out and refocus on why I got into fishing to begin with.


Makes me go back to my roots, freshwater fishing with my uncle at a very young age. I had no idea media existed, no marketing of gear, no competition, no idea of what a "good" fish was. I used the lures we had and eventually favored the ones that were successful. I loved the adventure, the hunt, the mystery of catching and the pain of failing. The challenge was endless.

It wasnt long before the first bass pro shops catalogs got mixed in and it went downhill from there. Other magazines were subscribed too, and it got very confusing - I got sucked into all the BS, losing touch for only a little while though. The right mentors put it all back into perspective.

I still continue to try to do my own thing and have nothing to prove. I fish because its what I live for and enjoy. I live for studying patterns, piecing together the info, trying to adapt to constant change. You can't beat the feeling of being at the ends of the earth, swimming to a rock in total darkness and catching striped bass. Catch a giant bass, weigh it, release it and don't tell a soul.

Its interesting this one post could spark that much thought for me

[JohnR]

Rizzo - it's nice to get down to basics. You're single right. no kids? Enjoy it while you can. On the other hand, there is not much out there better than taking your kid fishing - Wait until you do that.

[Krispy]

Originally Posted by rizzo

Everything got old a long time ago. I used to get really upset about articles written by so called experts that were completely off the mark. I wanted to argue with them, prove them wrong. Got sick of all the BS, catch reports, marketing the wrong gear, know it alls, egos, posers, blah blah. It used to really get to me. Learned to filter it out and refocus on why I got into fishing to begin with.


Makes me go back to my roots, freshwater fishing with my uncle at a very young age. I had no idea media existed, no marketing of gear, no competition, no idea of what a "good" fish was. I used the lures we had and eventually favored the ones that were successful. I loved the adventure, the hunt, the mystery of catching and the pain of failing. The challenge was endless.

It wasnt long before the first bass pro shops catalogs got mixed in and it went downhill from there. Other magazines were subscribed too, and it got very confusing - I got sucked into all the BS, losing touch for only a little while though. The right mentors put it all back into perspective.

I still continue to try to do my own thing and have nothing to prove. I fish because its what I live for and enjoy. I live for studying patterns, piecing together the info, trying to adapt to constant change. You can't beat the feeling of being at the ends of the earth, swimming to a rock in total darkness and catching striped bass. Catch a giant bass, weigh it, release it and don't tell a soul.

Its interesting this one post could spark that much thought for me

Exactly Rizzo
And it takes half a lifetime to be a good striperman, not because of ALL the intense, indepth, super secret time on the water knowledge you have to gather together, its wading through the hip deep BS of info, experts and product sales that gets your head spinning till you dont know whats right anymore.
I bet all you really, I mean REALLY, needed to know to go out and catch large could be written on one side a sheet of paper.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by redlite

I'm with you

[agsurfr]

Originally Posted by ivanputski

as a fisherman, you should know that just because the bait is presented, doesn't mean the fish HAS to bite... Be the one that got away...

Well said!!

[BasicPatrick]

I absolutely hate it when i sit down at the puter and realaize I have no Popcorn!!!!!!!!

[striperswiper75]

I am relatively new to the whole surfcasting world; just finished what I would qualify as my second full year where I dedicated time and attention to the sport. Heck 3 years ago while on vacation at block for a week, I was fishing at night w/o waders, corkers, or a even a plug bag for that matter. I am kind of thankful for some of the resources that are available to me; some books, some fishing related forums and my fishing club in particular. Those resources really helped me get started.
At first I fell into the habit of buying tons of plugs I didn't know how to use, in tons of color variations. I also bought some rods and reels i don't use or need, but I hope my nieces and nephew will get use out of them. Through trial and error I think I have kind of figured out what I think works best for me (at the moment) and what I feel confident in using. I hope I have gotten past the point of needing to have XXXXXX lure and YYYYYY accessory; and will try to focus on what works for me and continue to learn from my few successes and many failures in the surf.

DZ, thanks for that SW point information, I finally got to fish it this past year, except I was there on the flood tide. Making a mental note on that one.

Kevin

[DZ]

Originally Posted by striperswiper75

DZ, thanks for that SW point information, I finally got to fish it this past year, except I was there on the flood tide. Making a mental note on that one.

Kevin

Kevin,
My pleasure. I'm sure there was some cut and paste activity with that paragraph. Those are optimum tides.... don't ignore the flood.

DZ

[JohnnyD]

It doesn't make me angry. There is an old saying for people that will buy every new lure or fishing device:

A fool and his money are soon parted.

[Rookieangler]

Uncle Al well said!! I'm still looking and will do so