Cape cod canal C&R only question - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

wdmso · 04-01-2019, 07:07 AM

Anyone see the possibility of CC being designated a C&R zone ?

just looking at it from a conservation angle .. would like to see a slot limit also not saying it could even be done legally

(environmental police ) can't inforce 1 fish rule on the canal now not sure how C&R could be enforced

not look to argue over the topic just looking for the pros and cons seeing we all have grown up fishing.. some in the bad times and some in the good times

piemma · 04-01-2019, 07:23 AM

Wayne, see my post about NC. They have shut down sections of intercoastal waters. The DEM of Mass could do the same. Never mind C&R. CLOSE IT!!!

Rappin Mikey · 04-01-2019, 09:10 AM

Hopefully it doesn't get to this level. My friend sent me this from Hong Kong this weekend.

Nebe · 04-01-2019, 09:27 AM

Good luck with that. So many people who sit on the regulatory boards for striped bass regulations are either commercial fisherman or poachers. The conflict of interests are so glaringly obvious. In simple terms, it’s like the foxes are designing the fence to protect the hen house.
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Clammer · 04-01-2019, 10:32 AM

that will never happen ><.

tlapinski · 04-01-2019, 01:09 PM

The Canal isn't going to be shut down or made C&R as there is simply too much money being made (legally and otherwise) off that fishery.

MakoMike · 04-02-2019, 09:44 AM

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Good luck with that. So many people who sit on the regulatory boards for striped bass regulations are either commercial fisherman or poachers. The conflict of interests are so glaringly obvious. In simple terms, it’s like the foxes are designing the fence to protect the hen house.
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I can't believe that after the latest stock assessment some people are still blaming commercial fishermen. Have yo guys seen this graphic of the 2017 catch?

PaulS · 04-02-2019, 10:13 AM

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I can't believe that after the latest stock assessment some people are still blaming commercial fishermen. Have yo guys seen this graphic of the 2017 catch?

What % of the fisherman are commercial vs rec? W/o that stat, the chart is meaningless.

zimmy · 04-02-2019, 10:55 AM

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What % of the fisherman are commercial vs rec? W/o that stat, the chart is meaningless.

I don't think it is completely meaningless. From a population perspective, it is all about dead fish. Who should be able to kill them is a subjective discussion. Recs kill the vast majority of fish; an enormous # of fish. Until that is dealt with, it is gonna get worse and worse.

PaulS · 04-02-2019, 11:07 AM

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I don't think it is completely meaningless. From a population perspective, it is all about dead fish. Who should be able to kill them is a subjective discussion. Recs kill the vast majority of fish; an enormous # of fish. Until that is dealt with, it is gonna get worse and worse.

I understand that a dead fish is a dead fish but to use that chart without including the percentage of rec versus commercial fisherman to try to make a point needs some clarification.
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MakoMike · 04-02-2019, 05:56 PM

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What % of the fisherman are commercial vs rec? W/o that stat, the chart is meaningless.

What difference does it make if the commercial fishermen numbers are one or a million, they are only killing 10% of the fish.

PaulS · 04-02-2019, 07:19 PM

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What difference does it make if the commercial fishermen numbers are one or a million, they are only killing 10% of the fish.

The difference is you are blaming the recreational fishermen without taking into account the % of each sector. If recreational fishermen are 99% of fisherman then they should be killing 99% of the fish.

Make it a game fish and a some of the problems are solved. Not all the problems but some of them.
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5/0 · 04-02-2019, 07:21 PM

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What % of the fisherman are commercial vs rec? W/o that stat, the chart is meaningless.

Most of the local rec's and newbies are lagit.

The Van's from Downtown Boston with the Asin catch and take EVERYTHING THEY CATCH and they leave more trash than at Woodstock!

Just my opinion.
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bloocrab · 04-02-2019, 10:44 PM

Always been curious to how they truly measure the Rec. harvest?

"Hi #^&#^&#^&#^& Little, I understand you target Striped-Bass during the season.. how many stripers did you catch last year?"
"To tell you the truth mam', I killed em'....probly couple hundred!"

How many did #^&#^&#^&#^& really catch?
How are the reported numbers justified?
Honor system??

....I can tell you this, 90% of fishermen that I've come across in my life stretch the truth...whether it's with their hands or their mouth.

The Canal is an anomoly.
When a big push of fish move in, so should a big push of law enforcement.
Regulations should be the same regardless the area....I'm still confused why size limits change for scup depending on the location?

ivanputski · 04-02-2019, 03:01 PM

Canal should be closed to fishing for at least a few years.... give fish a break, and will ultimately push fishermen to work for their 30's and 40's.

Slipknot · 04-02-2019, 05:01 PM

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Canal should be closed to fishing for at least a few years.... give fish a break, and will ultimately push fishermen to work for their 30's and 40's.

You think it is not work to catch a 30 - 40 in the canal?

ivanputski · 04-02-2019, 06:36 PM

Slipknot:
Its "physical work" reeling them in against the current ...

Its not always "work" finding them, and thats what I was referring to.

(*That's my opinion... No disrespect to the people that enjoy
the canal as a format to catch fish in...)
I went to the canal for the first time last summer, and
It was ridiculous how easy it was to catch close to a dozen large fish...
The ease of it all made the catch fell less rewarding than when I would catch
a single similar fish out in the surf at 2 am. To each his own... But catching
trout on opening day in stocked pond doesn't make me feel like an accomplished
angler, even if the fight is fun.
And yes, I realize the canal is not always "on" , but those are the days I'm referring to

nightfighter · 04-02-2019, 06:50 PM

I can see the armada at both ends of the canal.... it will look like a blockade, making entry or exit impossible... No doubt that fleet would include everything from kayaks, canoes, and eight foot dinghies to the half million dollar sportfishing center consoles...

Not saying I am for or against, just pointing to possible outcomes. USCG would have to be onstation at both ends just to keep it navigable, nevermind pulling fishermen out of the water when their overmatched rowboats swamp, sink, or get run down

beamie · 04-03-2019, 09:42 AM

Anyone that keeps up with where the fish are and if the bite is on has the ability to catch 15 fish whether they are rec, comm or charter(rec).

Whatever action that takes place in the future needs to be coastwide, not per state.

Gamefish status does nothing to reduce the release mortality rate.

Not sure if the slot limit theory has been proven to help when you take just a certain age fish out of the mix every year. Maybe a slot limit that changes every year or 2 depending on the YOY data?

You guys all talk about the canal and SW ledge. IMO there are far more big fish taken down in Jersey and the VA area early and late in the year.

MAKAI · 04-03-2019, 10:09 PM

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Textbook.
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ivanputski · 04-05-2019, 04:15 PM

I wish I had the same faith in the ASMFC as you do mike (in thinking they will act to rebuild the species). I don't think their actions and decisions are based on whats best for the health of a fishery as their first priority... They may be acting in the best interest of a group... but it's probably not a group of fish.

afterhours · 04-07-2019, 06:38 AM

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I wish I had the same faith in the ASMFC as you do mike (in thinking they will act to rebuild the species). I don't think their actions and decisions are based on whats best for the health of a fishery as their first priority... They may be acting in the best interest of a group... but it's probably not a group of fish.

This.

MakoMike · 04-07-2019, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ivanputski

I wish I had the same faith in the ASMFC as you do mike (in thinking they will act to rebuild the species). I don't think their actions and decisions are based on whats best for the health of a fishery as their first priority... They may be acting in the best interest of a group... but it's probably not a group of fish.

If it's any consolation I have spoken to a number of members of the board and they all seem to agree that something needs to be done and that they should stick with the Amendment 6 standards.

But I take your point that anything could happen.