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09-25-2019, 07:19 PM
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Dig deeper Jim.
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09-25-2019, 07:46 PM
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Dig deeper Jim.
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09-25-2019, 08:27 PM
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Senator Sasse (R-NE) after reading the whistleblower complaint: "...Republicans ought not to be rushing to circle the wagons to say there’s no there there when there’s obviously lots that’s very troubling there..."
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09-25-2019, 08:31 PM
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Here’s a hint
Nobody protects a bully
As soon as the Republican Senators think their chances are better with Trump gone, he is
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09-25-2019, 08:32 PM
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pete, read my original post, and comment on it?
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09-25-2019, 08:40 PM
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pete, read my original post, and comment on it?
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What do the Simpsons have to do with Trump?
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09-25-2019, 08:59 PM
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From the WAPO article that the Daily Wire cites
On Tuesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) announced that Congress will initiate a formal impeachment inquiry over the Ukraine episode, a move Joe Biden endorsed in a speech, declaring, “It’s time for the Congress to fully investigate the conduct of this president.” Such an investigation will be far more damaging for Biden than the president. It will keep the story of Biden’s conflict of interest in the news through the 2020 election. Millions of Americans will learn the word “Burisma.” Senate Republicans can demand that Hunter Biden testify, and subpoena Obama White House aides such as Hochstein to explain under oath what the vice president knew and when he knew it.
Sounds like Biden isn’t scared.
Trump put his priorities in front of the countries and violated the oath of office he took.
Forget the whatabouts, no one else is President.
Watch the presser and look at Zelensky’s face when Trump #^&#^&#^&#^&s him. Do you think the rest of the world didn’t see that for what it was? Or are you that blind to what Putin’s Puppet is doing?
“I really hope that Russia—because I really believe that President Putin would like to do something—I really hope that you and President Putin can get together and solve your problem,” Trump said at the United Nations on Wednesday, as Zelensky sat stone-faced. “That would be a tremendous achievement, and I know that you’re trying to do that.”
“You’ve really made some progress with Russia,” Trump added, telling Zelensky that “it’d be nice to end that whole disaster.”
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09-25-2019, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
From the WAPO article that the Daily Wire cites
On Tuesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) announced that Congress will initiate a formal impeachment inquiry over the Ukraine episode, a move Joe Biden endorsed in a speech, declaring, “It’s time for the Congress to fully investigate the conduct of this president.” Such an investigation will be far more damaging for Biden than the president. It will keep the story of Biden’s conflict of interest in the news through the 2020 election. Millions of Americans will learn the word “Burisma.” Senate Republicans can demand that Hunter Biden testify, and subpoena Obama White House aides such as Hochstein to explain under oath what the vice president knew and when he knew it.
Sounds like Biden isn’t scared.
Trump put his priorities in front of the countries and violated the oath of office he took.
Forget the whatabouts, no one else is President.
Watch the presser and look at Zelensky’s face when Trump #^&#^&#^&#^&s him. Do you think the rest of the world didn’t see that for what it was? Or are you that blind to what Putin’s Puppet is doing?
“I really hope that Russia—because I really believe that President Putin would like to do something—I really hope that you and President Putin can get together and solve your problem,” Trump said at the United Nations on Wednesday, as Zelensky sat stone-faced. “That would be a tremendous achievement, and I know that you’re trying to do that.”
“You’ve really made some progress with Russia,” Trump added, telling Zelensky that “it’d be nice to end that whole disaster.”
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For the third time, why is it wrong for Trump to ask Ukraine to investigate his adversaries, but not for democrats in teh US Senate? Can't find a 10,000 word piece written by someone else to explain the naked double standrad there? |
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09-25-2019, 09:05 PM
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It is impeachable to ask a foreign government to interfere in an election. Which is what happened.
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09-25-2019, 09:13 PM
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It is impeachable to ask a foreign government to interfere in an election. Which is what happened.
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Much of what they do, Nebe, is to help themselves politically.
When Obama told the Russian official who wanted to work on missile dfeense, to wait until after the election because Obama was afraid that what he planned to do would hurt hos chances at re-election, that's different? Obama asked a Russian official wo hold off on working on a project together, to help influence Obama's next election. After that election, Obama told the guy he'd have mre flexibility. That was OK. |
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09-26-2019, 11:00 AM
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It is impeachable to ask a foreign government to interfere in an election. Which is what happened.
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So, if China agreed with a Trump trade deal that actually stopped its stealing of secrets and balanced trade with the US (which would greatly enhance Trump's chances of winning the next election), would he have asked China to interfere with the election? |
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09-26-2019, 11:10 AM
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So, if China agreed with a Trump trade deal that actually stopped its stealing of secrets and balanced trade with the US (which would greatly enhance Trump's chances of winning the next election), would he have asked China to interfere with the election?
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exactly. using their logic, that would be an impeachable offense. i guess a potus can only ask for a favor if it will hurt him politically, or maybe during his second term when he can’t run again.
when FDR asked england to help
us on D-day, that was an impeachable offense. because it helped him politically.
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09-26-2019, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
exactly. using their logic, that would be an impeachable offense. i guess a potus can only ask for a favor if it will hurt him politically, or maybe during his second term when he can’t run again.
when FDR asked england to help
us on D-day, that was an impeachable offense. because it helped him politically.
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So you think
What IF in 1940
FDR called Churchill
& in response to UK’s request for weapons said, “We’ve always been good to your country, but I would like to ask a favor... open an investigation on Wendell Wilkie”???
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09-26-2019, 01:20 PM
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So you think
What IF in 1940
FDR called Churchill
& in response to UK’s request for weapons said, “We’ve always been good to your country, but I would like to ask a favor... open an investigation on Wendell Wilkie”???
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if biden didn’t want the attention, he could have easily avoided what is at a minimum, a glaring appearance of
impropriety.
again, why was it ok for democrats in the us senate to ask ukraine to investigate Trump?
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09-26-2019, 11:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by detbuch
So, if China agreed with a Trump trade deal that actually stopped its stealing of secrets and balanced trade with the US (which would greatly enhance Trump's chances of winning the next election), would he have asked China to interfere with the election?
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Would the Stable Genius lock that up in a special safe place.
Would WH staff be talking to WH legal staff about it and Trump’s involvement.
Would anyone blow a whistle about it
I think neither Trump or you can spin the whistleblowers report
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09-26-2019, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Would the Stable Genius lock that up in a special safe place.
Would WH staff be talking to WH legal staff about it and Trump’s involvement.
Would anyone blow a whistle about it
I think neither Trump or you can spin the whistleblowers report
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but yesterday, before anyone was aware of any attempted coverup, liberals were saying that the impeachable offense was asking a foreign power for a favor that would help him politically.
just for a moment, let’s put any cover up stories aside...
is it, or is it not, an impeachable
offense for a president to ask a foreign leader for a favor which would benefit the president politically?
hard to keep up with the moving goalposts. first there was a quid pro quo, then when that was disproved the offense was the political benefit, now the offense is burying records?
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09-26-2019, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
but yesterday, before anyone was aware of any attempted coverup, liberals were saying that the impeachable offense was asking a foreign power for a favor that would help him politically.
just for a moment, let’s put any cover up stories aside...
is it, or is it not, an impeachable
offense for a president to ask a foreign leader for a favor which would benefit the president politically?
hard to keep up with the moving goalposts. first there was a quid pro quo, then when that was disproved the offense was the political benefit, now the offense is burying records?
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Impeachable offense doesn’t change
The Stable Genius took an oath to uphold the Constitution
He used aid to attempt to get a political advantage for himself
Game over
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09-26-2019, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Would the Stable Genius lock that up in a special safe place.
Would WH staff be talking to WH legal staff about it and Trump’s involvement.
Would anyone blow a whistle about it
I think neither Trump or you can spin the whistleblowers report
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I was responding to Nebe's post. I thought the yardstick was interfering with an election.
As for the whistleblower stuff, Maguire pointed out good legal stuff that cast a lack of credibility or legal pertinence re it. As well, the whistleblower transcript didn't jive with the phone transcript. |
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09-26-2019, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
I was responding to Nebe's post. I thought the yardstick was interfering with an election.
As for the whistleblower stuff, Maguire pointed out good legal stuff that cast a lack of credibility or legal pertinence re it. As well, the whistleblower transcript didn't jive with the phone transcript.
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This is like the watergate break-in using a foreign government through the enticement of military arms sales. Trump managed to combine two of the biggest scandals in presidential history: Iran-contra-watergate.
Just keep spinning
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09-25-2019, 09:26 PM
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Buuutobaaama
Please.
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09-25-2019, 09:28 PM
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Buuutobaaama
Please.
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What Jim is pointing out is called precedent. Or, in more common lingo, what goes around comes around. |
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09-26-2019, 07:24 AM
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What Jim is pointing out is called precedent. Or, in more common lingo, what goes around comes around.
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What Mr. Our Fore Fathers intentions need to be preserved thinks we can now bend their rules, say it isn’t so🤮
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09-26-2019, 07:31 AM
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What Mr. Our Fore Fathers intentions need to be preserved thinks we can now bend their rules, say it isn’t so🤮
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obama asked the russians to help him politically. democrats senators asked the ukraine to investigate trump. did those bother you?
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09-26-2019, 06:23 AM
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Buuutobaaama
Please.
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please explain he difference between what obama
did, and what trump did.
in both cases, the president asked a foreign government for a policy favor which would
benefit him politically.
the difference i see, is that obama did it more blatantly, as he explicitly mentioned the consequences to his upcoming election.
take out your obama tampon, and tell me why what trump did is impeachable, but not what obama
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09-25-2019, 09:37 PM
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it’s coming round all right.
The clown car is coming round the bend and pence can’t wait to take the wheel.
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09-25-2019, 09:41 PM
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it’s coming round all right.
The clown car is coming round the bend and pence can’t wait to take the wheel.
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Deep |
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09-26-2019, 06:24 AM
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it’s coming round all right.
The clown car is coming round the bend and pence can’t wait to take the wheel.
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how many times have you said this since 2017?
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09-26-2019, 06:42 AM
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how many times have you said this since 2017?
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09-26-2019, 06:35 AM
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Telling someone you don’t want to discuss a possible policy till after you are elected is the same as telling someone who you are withholding aid from to “do me a favor” and look into Biden etc. We will have a great relationship yada yada
The difference is the latter is indictable.
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