is it impeachable to ask ukraine to investigate political adversaries?

[Nebe]

It is impeachable to ask a foreign government to interfere in an election. Which is what happened.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

It is impeachable to ask a foreign government to interfere in an election. Which is what happened.
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Much of what they do, Nebe, is to help themselves politically.

When Obama told the Russian official who wanted to work on missile dfeense, to wait until after the election because Obama was afraid that what he planned to do would hurt hos chances at re-election, that's different? Obama asked a Russian official wo hold off on working on a project together, to help influence Obama's next election. After that election, Obama told the guy he'd have mre flexibility. That was OK.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

It is impeachable to ask a foreign government to interfere in an election. Which is what happened.
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So, if China agreed with a Trump trade deal that actually stopped its stealing of secrets and balanced trade with the US (which would greatly enhance Trump's chances of winning the next election), would he have asked China to interfere with the election?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So, if China agreed with a Trump trade deal that actually stopped its stealing of secrets and balanced trade with the US (which would greatly enhance Trump's chances of winning the next election), would he have asked China to interfere with the election?

exactly. using their logic, that would be an impeachable offense. i guess a potus can only ask for a favor if it will hurt him politically, or maybe during his second term when he can’t run again.

when FDR asked england to help
us on D-day, that was an impeachable offense. because it helped him politically.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

exactly. using their logic, that would be an impeachable offense. i guess a potus can only ask for a favor if it will hurt him politically, or maybe during his second term when he can’t run again.

when FDR asked england to help
us on D-day, that was an impeachable offense. because it helped him politically.
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So you think
What IF in 1940
FDR called Churchill
& in response to UK’s request for weapons said, “We’ve always been good to your country, but I would like to ask a favor... open an investigation on Wendell Wilkie”???
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So you think
What IF in 1940
FDR called Churchill
& in response to UK’s request for weapons said, “We’ve always been good to your country, but I would like to ask a favor... open an investigation on Wendell Wilkie”???
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if biden didn’t want the attention, he could have easily avoided what is at a minimum, a glaring appearance of
impropriety.

again, why was it ok for democrats in the us senate to ask ukraine to investigate Trump?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

again, why was it ok for democrats in the us senate to ask ukraine to investigate Trump?
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Jim, it was because Ukraine wasn't cooperating with the Mueller investigation, it was about Manafort not Trump and it was made right out in public.

You're having that fruit problem again.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim, it was because Ukraine wasn't cooperating with the Mueller investigation, it was about Manafort not Trump and it was made right out in public.

You're having that fruit problem again.

oh. so if our government concludes ukraine isn’t doing its part ( which is subjective, obviously), it’s ok to pressure them
to investigate political
adversaries.

how do you know that’s not what trump did.

the fruit here, is the bananas where your brain is supposed to be.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if biden didn’t want the attention, he could have easily avoided what is at a minimum, a glaring appearance of
impropriety.

again, why was it ok for democrats in the us senate to ask ukraine to investigate Trump?
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You’re speaking I assume of the letter filed in the Senate record to Ukraine.
Who’s hiding anything there?
What personal gains do the Senators achieve?
I attached the letter, perhaps you could point out where they asked for Trump to be investigated.
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...estigation.pdf
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So, if China agreed with a Trump trade deal that actually stopped its stealing of secrets and balanced trade with the US (which would greatly enhance Trump's chances of winning the next election), would he have asked China to interfere with the election?

Would the Stable Genius lock that up in a special safe place.
Would WH staff be talking to WH legal staff about it and Trump’s involvement.
Would anyone blow a whistle about it

I think neither Trump or you can spin the whistleblowers report

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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Would the Stable Genius lock that up in a special safe place.
Would WH staff be talking to WH legal staff about it and Trump’s involvement.
Would anyone blow a whistle about it

I think neither Trump or you can spin the whistleblowers report

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but yesterday, before anyone was aware of any attempted coverup, liberals were saying that the impeachable offense was asking a foreign power for a favor that would help him politically.

just for a moment, let’s put any cover up stories aside...

is it, or is it not, an impeachable
offense for a president to ask a foreign leader for a favor which would benefit the president politically?

hard to keep up with the moving goalposts. first there was a quid pro quo, then when that was disproved the offense was the political benefit, now the offense is burying records?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

but yesterday, before anyone was aware of any attempted coverup, liberals were saying that the impeachable offense was asking a foreign power for a favor that would help him politically.

just for a moment, let’s put any cover up stories aside...

is it, or is it not, an impeachable
offense for a president to ask a foreign leader for a favor which would benefit the president politically?

hard to keep up with the moving goalposts. first there was a quid pro quo, then when that was disproved the offense was the political benefit, now the offense is burying records?
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Impeachable offense doesn’t change
The Stable Genius took an oath to uphold the Constitution
He used aid to attempt to get a political advantage for himself
Game over
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Impeachable offense doesn’t change
The Stable Genius took an oath to uphold the Constitution
He used aid to attempt to get a political advantage for himself
Game over

This is gibberish. Your constant spinning has made you dizzy.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Would the Stable Genius lock that up in a special safe place.
Would WH staff be talking to WH legal staff about it and Trump’s involvement.
Would anyone blow a whistle about it

I think neither Trump or you can spin the whistleblowers report

I was responding to Nebe's post. I thought the yardstick was interfering with an election.

As for the whistleblower stuff, Maguire pointed out good legal stuff that cast a lack of credibility or legal pertinence re it. As well, the whistleblower transcript didn't jive with the phone transcript.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I was responding to Nebe's post. I thought the yardstick was interfering with an election.

As for the whistleblower stuff, Maguire pointed out good legal stuff that cast a lack of credibility or legal pertinence re it. As well, the whistleblower transcript didn't jive with the phone transcript.

This is like the watergate break-in using a foreign government through the enticement of military arms sales. Trump managed to combine two of the biggest scandals in presidential history: Iran-contra-watergate.
Just keep spinning
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

This is like the watergate break-in using a foreign government through the enticement of military arms sales. Trump managed to combine two of the biggest scandals in presidential history: Iran-contra-watergate.
Just keep spinning
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What was my spin, exactly? And your spin in this post is blatant.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump managed to combine two of the biggest scandals in presidential history:


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this is the biggest scandal in Presidential history