Gym Jordan’s hometown paper

[Pete F.]

CLEVELAND -- Of all the regions in all the states in all the country, Jim Jordan got dragged into ours. There was no good reason to punish Greater Cleveland by making the person who’s now the second most contemptible human being in the entire U.S. government part of the region’s delegation to Congress. Worse yet, the betrayal was bipartisan.
When Ohio’s political and legislative leaders were drawing new congressional boundaries prior to the 2012 election, Democrats wanted a district that would protect U.S. Rep. Marcia Fudge. Republicans wanted districts that would elect the maximum number of GOP congressmen. And some people from both parties wanted a district that would likely lead to the defeat of longtime Cleveland Rep. Dennis Kucinich.
They all got what they wanted.

But to make it work required drawing a hideously gerrymandered district for the southwest Ohio congressman, one that meanders some 200 miles from near Dayton north into Lorain County near Cleveland.

And now it’s fitting that Republicans have given this seven-term sycophant a starring role in the televised House Intelligence Committee impeachment hearings against President Donald Trump. The assignment comes as Jordan is being credibly accused by some of knowingly turning a blind eye to sexual abuse by a team doctor when Jordan was an assistant wrestling coach at Ohio State University from 1987 to 1994.
At least five people – four of them former wrestlers and one of them a longtime friend – have said Jordan had to have known former OSU team doctor Richard Strauss was on a sexual rampage that would include -- according to OSU -- 1,429 sexual assaults and 47 rapes of student patients during Strauss’ time at the school (1978 to 1998) prior to his suicide in 2005.
That makes Jordan an ideal candidate to lead the defense of a malignant president who has bragged about physically abusing women and who has been accused by two dozen women of sexual assault or misconduct.

Jordan was appointed to the Intelligence Committee the same day, Nov. 8, that NBC reported on a lawsuit filed early this month in which a former wrestling referee alleges Strauss masturbated in front of him in the shower following an OSU wrestling match in 1994.

When the referee told Jordan what happened, he alleges that Jordan blew him off with, “Yeah, that’s Strauss.”

As the allegations pile up, Jordan’s denials remain unchanged. He dismissed the latest one as “ridiculous.”
People have every right to believe Jordan’s angry dismissals. Common sense suggests they’d probably be better off believing five men who have no reason to lie.

When Jordan slithers out from under his rock each morning, dons a shirt and tie - sans the jacket, lest he be mistaken for Joe McCarthy - his life’s work is to besmirch everything America stands for in service of Donald Trump.

If it takes undermining yet another principle of democracy by condoning attacks on men and women who have devoted their lives in honorable service to this country, Jordan is always ready and willing.

If it takes changing the Trump defense strategy on an almost daily basis because facts keep getting in the way, Jordan is the ideal bootlicker. Trump’s support is all that seems to matter to the man former House Speaker John Boehner regularly referred to as "a legislative terrorist” – along with a whole bunch of other descriptions unfit for print.
Why would Jordan so readily ruin what little was left of his reputation? One theory holds he hopes to inherit Trump’s base for a presidential run of his own in 2024. The swamp will be a crowded place in four years, overrun with loathsome folks angling to continue the dastardly business of shredding the Constitution.

Michael Gerson’s credentials to analyze Jordan are impeccable. He is an evangelical Christian, lifelong Republican and onetime chief speechwriter to former President George W. Bush.

In his Washington Post column of Nov. 14, Gerson showed his keen understanding of Jordan, describing him as “the Truly Trumpian Man – guided by bigotry, seized by conspiracy theories, dismissive of facts and truth, indifferent to ethics, contemptuous of institutional norms and ruthlessly dedicated to the success of a demagogue.”

Gerson applied the identical description to Stephen Miller, the White House resident white supremacist.

Everything about Jordan reeks of a man willing to cast aside common decency and fairness in service of a corrupt and cruel president.

He may be the most unfit man to ever represent part of Greater Cleveland in Congress.

Brent Larkin was The Plain Dealer’s editorial director from 1991 until his retirement in 2009.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

CLEVELAND -- Of all the regions in all the states in all the country, Jim Jordan got dragged into ours. There was no good reason to punish Greater Cleveland by making the person who’s now the second most contemptible human being in the entire U.S. government part of the region’s delegation to Congress. Worse yet, the betrayal was bipartisan.
When Ohio’s political and legislative leaders were drawing new congressional boundaries prior to the 2012 election, Democrats wanted a district that would protect U.S. Rep. Marcia Fudge. Republicans wanted districts that would elect the maximum number of GOP congressmen. And some people from both parties wanted a district that would likely lead to the defeat of longtime Cleveland Rep. Dennis Kucinich.
They all got what they wanted.

But to make it work required drawing a hideously gerrymandered district for the southwest Ohio congressman, one that meanders some 200 miles from near Dayton north into Lorain County near Cleveland.

And now it’s fitting that Republicans have given this seven-term sycophant a starring role in the televised House Intelligence Committee impeachment hearings against President Donald Trump. The assignment comes as Jordan is being credibly accused by some of knowingly turning a blind eye to sexual abuse by a team doctor when Jordan was an assistant wrestling coach at Ohio State University from 1987 to 1994.
At least five people – four of them former wrestlers and one of them a longtime friend – have said Jordan had to have known former OSU team doctor Richard Strauss was on a sexual rampage that would include -- according to OSU -- 1,429 sexual assaults and 47 rapes of student patients during Strauss’ time at the school (1978 to 1998) prior to his suicide in 2005.
That makes Jordan an ideal candidate to lead the defense of a malignant president who has bragged about physically abusing women and who has been accused by two dozen women of sexual assault or misconduct.

Jordan was appointed to the Intelligence Committee the same day, Nov. 8, that NBC reported on a lawsuit filed early this month in which a former wrestling referee alleges Strauss masturbated in front of him in the shower following an OSU wrestling match in 1994.

When the referee told Jordan what happened, he alleges that Jordan blew him off with, “Yeah, that’s Strauss.”

As the allegations pile up, Jordan’s denials remain unchanged. He dismissed the latest one as “ridiculous.”
People have every right to believe Jordan’s angry dismissals. Common sense suggests they’d probably be better off believing five men who have no reason to lie.

When Jordan slithers out from under his rock each morning, dons a shirt and tie - sans the jacket, lest he be mistaken for Joe McCarthy - his life’s work is to besmirch everything America stands for in service of Donald Trump.

If it takes undermining yet another principle of democracy by condoning attacks on men and women who have devoted their lives in honorable service to this country, Jordan is always ready and willing.

If it takes changing the Trump defense strategy on an almost daily basis because facts keep getting in the way, Jordan is the ideal bootlicker. Trump’s support is all that seems to matter to the man former House Speaker John Boehner regularly referred to as "a legislative terrorist” – along with a whole bunch of other descriptions unfit for print.
Why would Jordan so readily ruin what little was left of his reputation? One theory holds he hopes to inherit Trump’s base for a presidential run of his own in 2024. The swamp will be a crowded place in four years, overrun with loathsome folks angling to continue the dastardly business of shredding the Constitution.

Michael Gerson’s credentials to analyze Jordan are impeccable. He is an evangelical Christian, lifelong Republican and onetime chief speechwriter to former President George W. Bush.

In his Washington Post column of Nov. 14, Gerson showed his keen understanding of Jordan, describing him as “the Truly Trumpian Man – guided by bigotry, seized by conspiracy theories, dismissive of facts and truth, indifferent to ethics, contemptuous of institutional norms and ruthlessly dedicated to the success of a demagogue.”

Gerson applied the identical description to Stephen Miller, the White House resident white supremacist.

Everything about Jordan reeks of a man willing to cast aside common decency and fairness in service of a corrupt and cruel president.

He may be the most unfit man to ever represent part of Greater Cleveland in Congress.

Brent Larkin was The Plain Dealer’s editorial director from 1991 until his retirement in 2009.

lots and lots of insults. short on supporting evidence. but we know your side likes accusations more than they
like evidence.
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[Jim in CT]

i read Gersons editorial
on Jordan. He called him a bigot and offered absolutely zero evidence. Other then the fact that he’s sefending Trump.

Pete, every person here knows what it means, when those with TDS lob baseless
charges of bigotry and racism. It means you know you’re losing, but you can’t bear to admit it.

Very, very hard to have a conversation with you. you think i saying “Jordan is a bigot” makes it so. Literally, you think the accusation is evidence of itself.
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[Pete F.]

Michael Gerson’s credentials to analyze Jordan are impeccable. He is an evangelical Christian, lifelong Republican and onetime chief speechwriter to former President George W. Bush.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Michael Gerson’s credentials to analyze Jordan are impeccable. He is an evangelical Christian, lifelong Republican and onetime chief speechwriter to former President George W. Bush.
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i know all about Gerson, and I really like him. I own his book Compassionate Conservatism, and read it cover to cover, and I found it very moving. But Gerson being an evangelical, isn't proof that Jordan is a bigot. Is it?

Pete, I will vote for Trump. One of the many reasons why, is that the evidence is very clear, that despite Trumps vulgar tweets, more blacks will get lifted out of poverty with Trumps policies, than the policies of any of the democratic candidates. I am certain that's the case, the empirical evidence is pretty compelling. Does that make me racist?

Now please share some proof, any proof, that Jordan is a bigot? Nothing on Gerson's resume is proof that Jim Jordan is a bigot. Gerson might have been valedictorian of his high school, that doesn't mean Jim Jordan is a bigot.

Your "evidence" was Gerson's accusation, and the words of some other nut who happened to like the accusation. Somehow to you, that's evidence.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Michael Gerson’s credentials to analyze Jordan are impeccable. He is an evangelical Christian, lifelong Republican and onetime chief speechwriter to former President George W. Bush.
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His speech was perfect.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

His speech was perfect.

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ha ha...I saw a werewolf drinkin' a pina colada at trader vic's...and his hair was perfect

[Pete F.]

I watched Gym Jordan lie, misquote and yell like an idiot at fact witnesses in a congressional hearing, interrupting their response if he didn’t like it and in general acting like a fool.
Glad he impresses someone
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I watched Gym Jordan lie, misquote and yell like an idiot at fact witnesses in a congressional hearing, interrupting their response if he didn’t like it and in general acting like a fool.
Glad he impresses someone
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Pete: Jordan is a bigot, because some guy was impressed that Mike Gerson said so.

Jim: what's the evidence that Jordan is a bigot:

Pete: Gerson's resume is impressive

Jim: I agree. But what's the evidence that Jordan is a bigot?

Pete: I saw him lie, misquote, and yell at a witness.

One last time, Pete...what is the evidence he's a bigot? I'm not interested in evidence that he's a grey haired white guy, or that he's gruff, or even that he's a cannibal. You posted that he's a bigot. I've asked you twice previously, you've had all day, what's the evidence he's a bigot?

Answer: there is no evidence he's a bigot. But he disagrees with you on some policies, so he must be destroyed, no matter how fabricated the charges you need to levy against him.

You're pathetic. In a couple of days you quoted Ken Starr in an amazingly misleading fashion, now you're making up charges of bigotry out of thin air. People who really feel the facts are on their side, don't resort to this BS.

I didn't say I was impressed with Jordan. I asked for evidence of the accusation you made. I'm not even saying he's a good guy. I'm saying accusations of bigotry from your side, are getting tiresome.

You must be some obsessed with him, if you maintain he's a bigot, despite having zero evidence.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete: Jordan is a bigot, because some guy was impressed that Mike Gerson said so.

Jim: what's the evidence that Jordan is a bigot:

Pete: Gerson's resume is impressive

Jim: I agree. But what's the evidence that Jordan is a bigot?

Pete: I saw him lie, misquote, and yell at a witness.

One last time, Pete...what is the evidence he's a bigot? I'm not interested in evidence that he's a grey haired white guy, or that he's gruff, or even that he's a cannibal. You posted that he's a bigot. I've asked you twice previously, you've had all day, what's the evidence he's a bigot?

Answer: there is no evidence he's a bigot. But he disagrees with you on some policies, so he must be destroyed, no matter how fabricated the charges you need to levy against him.

You're pathetic. In a couple of days you quoted Ken Starr in an amazingly misleading fashion, now you're making up charges of bigotry out of thin air. People who really feel the facts are on their side, don't resort to this BS.

I didn't say I was impressed with Jordan. I asked for evidence of the accusation you made. I'm not even saying he's a good guy. I'm saying accusations of bigotry from your side, are getting tiresome.

You must be some obsessed with him, if you maintain he's a bigot, despite having zero evidence.

What gets tiring is your victimization by one word out of hundreds

The definition of bigotry from the Oxford Dictionary is: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself

I certainly agree with Gerson that Gym Jordan continually exhibits the behavior of a bigot by the Oxford definition.

So Jim, take the ONE word out that triggers you and defend Gym Jordan from Gerson's statement.

“the Truly Trumpian Man – guided by xxxxxxx, seized by conspiracy theories, dismissive of facts and truth, indifferent to ethics, contemptuous of institutional norms and ruthlessly dedicated to the success of a demagogue.”

You can't because the pathos that drives you to support Floridaman and his toadies at any cost won't let you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What gets tiring is your victimization by one word out of hundreds

The definition of bigotry from the Oxford Dictionary is: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself

I certainly agree with Gerson that Gym Jordan continually exhibits the behavior of a bigot by the Oxford definition.

So Jim, take the ONE word out that triggers you and defend Gym Jordan from Gerson's statement.

“the Truly Trumpian Man – guided by xxxxxxx, seized by conspiracy theories, dismissive of facts and truth, indifferent to ethics, contemptuous of institutional norms and ruthlessly dedicated to the success of a demagogue.”

You can't because the pathos that drives you to support Floridaman and his toadies at any cost won't let you.

"So Jim, take the ONE word out that triggers you and defend Gym Jordan from Gerson's statement.'

When that one word, is constantly used by your side to demonize everyone who disagrees with them. I just asked for evidence. I still don't see any, other than you said you agree with it. That's not evidence.

"Indifferent to ethics"? Jordan is amoral? Again, evidence, please. You seem to be under the impression that you stating a criticism, is evidence that it's valid criticism. It's not.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"So Jim, take the ONE word out that triggers you and defend Gym Jordan from Gerson's statement.'

When that one word, is constantly used by your side to demonize everyone who disagrees with them. I just asked for evidence. I still don't see any, other than you said you agree with it. That's not evidence.

"Indifferent to ethics"? Jordan is amoral? Again, evidence, please. You seem to be under the impression that you stating a criticism, is evidence that it's valid criticism. It's not.

Apparently you have no issue with Gym Jordan, if you can't see the issues with him, I won't be able to convince a bigot like you any differently.

That's the Oxford definition but if you choose to project other meanings onto it, feel free.

[Sea Dangles]

Pete’s wife can’t wrestle.
But you should see her box.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Pete’s wife can’t wrestle.
But you should see her box.
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come on.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Pete’s wife can’t wrestle.
But you should see her box.
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You can take the board to a new low, didn’t think it possible, but there it is.
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[Pete F.]

Looks likely that I missed some Colludy charges

1️⃣ Obstruction
2️⃣ Money Laundering
3️⃣ Conspiracy to Defraud U.S.
4️⃣ False Statements
5️⃣ Acting As Unregistered Foreign Agent
6️⃣ Illegal Solicitation of Foreign Donations
7️⃣ Mail Fraud
8️⃣ Wire Fraud
9️⃣ Fradulent Campaign Donations

He’s not worried though, he’s good friends with Floridaman and something about Joe Biden being his agent........
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[Sea Dangles]

PeteF seems intent on working hard to make sure Trump will be easily re-elected. Approval ratings are through the roof!
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[Pete F.]

Just have to get the cutout to testify, maybe Colludy will once his indictments come.

But remember lots of cases of extortion have resulted in convictions without direct evidence.
And more evidence of this conspiracy is showing up daily.
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[Sea Dangles]

This will certainly result in a re-election.
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