Spot X

[snake slinger]

i sent OTW a email and they wrote me back that spot aticles are what there readers whant

[spence]

White buckets are kind of lame. I keep my eels in one of these...

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

That is pretty cool, do they make an aquaman one?

Hey! I'm over 1000 posts! I need to get a life.

[kayaman]

the influx probably won't last long.... they will check it out but after a week or so they will move on to other spots that are X'ed out

[kayaman]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

One thing puzzles me, and this is aimed at everyone, not just you. Why don't guys get pissed off when a tackle shop points out the places to go, why single out the print media?

the shops don't have such an immediate response to as many people so as to create an influx of people fishing in one spot... just one thought.....

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Mike, I think the print and www are more wide spread, and as far as bait shops, I dont tell em nothing
I have known shops to give general info only on well known spots, but thats that shops I go to at least...

I agree, any shop that knows better (and if they don't they will before too long) will give what's working, when, etc, but if they have any idea how to NOT piss off customers they aren't going to give out sensitive spots.

[piemma]

I carry my eels in an old plastic mayo jar on my belt. I'll check my posts but I don't believe I made any derogatory remarks regarding 'white buckets".

[RIJIMMY]

Not you Pie, someone did and I was very sad.

[spence]

In the 18th century, the white bucket was seen as a sign of affluence.

-spence

[Squibby17]

To be honest, I posted in the ridiculously long thread before hand not having received my issue of OTW. I more or less said that guys are going to want information before going to a new spot, and in general people cut corners when they can, god knows I do.

however after reading OTW when IT FINALLY came, I'm a little more under standing as to why you rhody guys are upset. That article was way more detailed than it probably should have been. This past weekend I went to a honey hole spot that I found and researched alot, and got into some nice fish. This spot does not have lots of parking and is extremely close to some wealthy land owners. If it was burned I would be pissed too. I take back some of the previous posts i made in the OTW thread because I hadn't read the article and didn't think how it would be if it was my spot.

[choggieman]

I mentioned the white buckets, but did not mean it in a derogatory way. I used to carry my gear in a bucket when I started. My point was more to the fact that there were 12 guys shoulder to shoulder spread over 35 yards at a spot that there usually isn't that many. What I should have referred to was the unbeleivable number of head lamps and flashlights on a very moonlit night, especially the ones in the water constantly. There just seems to be more new faces that are in the beginning stage of surffishing. It would probably be great for someone to write an article about etiquette and ethics in surfishing. Maybe then the crowding and head lamps and inconsideration for others would start to wane. Nothing like standing on a rock and having two yahoos jump in front of you........
The idea of spot burning has always fired me up, but since the OTW article, I have been more and more conscious of it. I have lost patience with people who insist on blabbing, wether it be in print or on a website. I just read a thread on another site over in ct and the blabbing about soco was unbeleivable...... so do not be surprised when we all see lotsa new faces at the spots Mckenna omitted. And when we do, we have someone to thank.
I also fish in less than favorable conditions and am seeing more guys at these spots than I ever have. I cannot imagine what it'll be like when its nice.

[SeaWolf]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

I do a lot of writing for Nor'east, and I can tell you that they are not soliciting these types of articles. OTOH if someone throws that kind of manuscript "over the transom" they are unlikely to turn it down. Like it or not, it does provide valuable information to a lot of their readers. You are right on with your comments about making your views known to the publishers. Nor'east has its own website at Noreast.com where you can post your comments, or you can write or call them directly. Either way you opt to go, they (and I) will appreciate hearing your views. One thing puzzles me, and this is aimed at everyone, not just you. Why don't guys get pissed off when a tackle shop points out the places to go, why single out the print media?

mike, i do (get pissed off at tackle shops). i go into some of the shops i frequent and ask, beg, and at times almost demand that they dont put certain areas in their reports. mind you, these reports are a week old, but you will see an increase in the people fishing there after a report.

as far as the shops, i look at the reports they may give an angler coming in as their "reward" for shopping or buying some merchandise from them. maybe how much the person buys or if they think they will come back will dictate where they may send those anglers. but, not all owners think like that. they are making a living from their business. i do not see to many authors making a living from writing articles or posting reports on the internet.

turn that around now, what does the magazine that prints these detailed articles on spots really earn? well, more subscriptions and if they are lucky more magazines that month from the tackle shop they are in as the newstand price is more than the subscription. so, what about the author of the article, what are they gaining? money for an article? what, a couple hundred for an article, maybe? some may have a side business, which benefits from getting their name or business exposed. for others, it may be new friends to fish with? or teaching someone how to fish a spot they may have "graduated" from? or, just notoriety for saying they can say they wrote an article and learned that spot? it could be one, many, or none of the above.

like many things, you cannot group spots into one general "rule" for when to say it's ok and when it is not. some are very, very limited in parking or space to fish. others, there's private property to cross that many may not know about. others are well known and the public is welcomed. as an angler, it is your job to learn more about the spot you may be fishing.

if magazines are now asking for detailed spots articles, i think this is unfortunate turn for this media. as much as some may think it's ok, it may do more damage than good, as has been written hear and on the previous thread. to me, this also holds true the those websites that welcome this same information. my interpretation is that johnr is against that type of activity and i repsect him for it and putting up with those of those that may get hot when these issues arise. here on sb, i think the treand has been to TEACH you how to fish, not drive you there, put the lure on for you, and cast for you. thank you, johnr.

[Nebe]

Slipknot- my friend didnt read it word for word to me, he simply said what spots were mentioned and that it gave away alot... I figured it wasnt a big deal..

anyway, i am done wasting my energy over this. I'm bummed that there will be more people in those spots, but hey, thats life

["uffah!!"]

This goes to everyone but with emphasis to Uffah and Eben.

NO POLITICAL CRAP ON THE MAIN BOARD!!!! Do it in Scuppers or Grumpy - NOT ON THE MAIN BOARD.


Thanks,

John

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Not you Pie, someone did and I was very sad.

And I made it quite clear I was in that camp for awhile... Are we THAT politically correct that where bieng called a white bucket brigade members is offensive? Sad....

[RIJIMMY]

I was totally kidding about the bucket! Geeeez, everyone needs to lighten up!

[*LB]

Speaking of eel storage . . . one day this summer I was fishing Rhody's Western most spot and I came I came across a cool eel bucket with a half-dozen fresh snakes that someone must have dropped (I was the only one out there at the time so I took the liberty of grabbing it). It was a plastic Folgers coffee can with a screw on lid, and it had a belt woven into two slits in the side of the can - it must have been made to wear around the waste. A pretty slick and inexpensive set up. To make a long story short, I didn't catch any fish that night until I started using those eels I found. If the person who lost them reads this - Thanks! I prefer a small soft-sided cooler myself. Wal-Fart sells a cheap one that has a Velcro trap door in the top that makes it easy to grab the slimy buggers without having to zip anything up after. A big blue ice pack keeps them well-behaved until I can get a hook in 'em.

I still haven't been able to find a place in town that sells OTW magazine. I was curious to know if any spots in Westerly were mentioned - not that I need another spot to fish, I was just wanted to see if there was any increase in traffic due to the article. I was surprised at the number of people at one spot last Saturday at dusk. It could have been a coincidence, but . . .

[spence]

Originally Posted by uffah!!

Nebe, now you sound just like your IDLE "Kerry"

Ummm, it's spelled IDOL...

Don't feel bad, I'm sure your buddy Bush would have made the same mistake

-spence

[MakoMike]

[QUOTE=SeaWolf]mike, i do (get pissed off at tackle shops). i go into some of the shops i frequent and ask, beg, and at times almost demand that they dont put certain areas in their reports. mind you, these reports are a week old, but you will see an increase in the people fishing there after a report.

as far as the shops, i look at the reports they may give an angler coming in as their "reward" for shopping or buying some merchandise from them. maybe how much the person buys or if they think they will come back will dictate where they may send those anglers. but, not all owners think like that. they are making a living from their business. i do not see to many authors making a living from writing articles or posting reports on the internet.

turn that around now, what does the magazine that prints these detailed articles on spots really earn? well, more subscriptions and if they are lucky more magazines that month from the tackle shop they are in as the newstand price is more than the subscription. so, what about the author of the article, what are they gaining? money for an article? what, a couple hundred for an article, maybe? some may have a side business, which benefits from getting their name or business exposed. for others, it may be new friends to fish with? or teaching someone how to fish a spot they may have "graduated" from? or, just notoriety for saying they can say they wrote an article and learned that spot? it could be one, many, or none of the above.
[QUOTE]

My experience is that tackle shops have as many reasons for what they do as there are tackle shops. I do both the RI and offshore reports for Nor'east, so I talk to dozens of tackle shops every weekend. It's remarkable that very few of them single out individuals in their reports. There are only three in RI that regularly name people. But the one thing they all value is the publicity it gets them. By handing out specific reports they hope to increase their business.
As far as what does the writer get? Again there are probably as many reasons as there are writers. I do it for several reasons, money being at the top of the list, but I'm sure not making a living at it. Lots of charter guys do it for the publicity. When I do feature articles, as opposed to the weekly reports, I do name areas, but I don't give anyone the exact locations to fish. One reason is that fish have fins and tails and they swim. One day they may be at one set of numbers and the next at another. If I write about a specific set of numbers, and someone goees there and doesn't find fish, it hurts my credibility. So I avoid specfics. OTOH, when I'm doing the reports and a shop tells me that the fishing is hot a Quonny, that's what I'll write, and I don't feel guilty about it.

[Surfcastinglife]

after viewing such hatred for white buckets im officially painting mine black. i need to call my therapist now!

[BigFish]

Keep it white SCL....who cares what people think!

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by uffah!!

Nebe, now you sound just like your IDLE "Kerry"

not an idol, simply an alternative.

[nightfighter]

If/when I get to go fish Lil Rhody, I would be PMing guys I know from here and elsewhere for specific gameplan. Same would go for any other roadtrips. (Got guidance from Capesams for my Memorial Day Cape trip.) That article isn't gonna get me in my car to get my 40 in Rhody, but it will affect the occassional (yuppy) angler who lives nearby. Hell, they gotta get the mag to read it.

I will email OTW as a subscriber, and ask that they state their intent and policy with regards to such articles, and to present an angler ettiquette piece in the future. But that article is done. Let's move on to fishing the fall to the fullest each of us can.

OTW, are you lurking by any chance? Care to comment? (Only time I've seen that was the guy from Penn when they shut down their US production, remember?)

And yes, if members are heading up this neck of the woods, I will show you where you're most likely to hook up. I am gonna share some with a serious striper fisherman. Just ask TDF, Clogston, Luds48, Scottie, to name a few.

[rivsie11]

Originally Posted by Spence

In the 18th century, the white bucket was seen as a sign of affluence.

[chris L]

get a home dirtpile orange colored one . no racial undertones



I KILL MYSELF SOMETIMES

[BasicPatrick]

Seawolf,

I am not sure if we have ever met, however I know some guys that know you. Hence, I am assuming that you have been around for a while. It it this knowledge that has me baffled at your statement.

Magazines have been publishing articles like this for years and years and years. Just for SH%TS & GIGGLES I went into my files. You see I disect magazines when they are read and file certain articles that appeal to me. I have four articles from OTW & The Fisherman that give between 75% and 100% of the information contained in Mckenna's article on the Narrow River. I am not saying that these type of articles are good at all. All I am saying is that there is nothing new about this one. I think what has people all up in arms is who wrote it and not what was written. If this was Flap or Frank D, or even Fisheye I think the responses would be quite different.

Originally Posted by SeaWolf

continuing on from what's been said in this thread and the otw one, is this the beginning of what is to come from magazines such as otw, the fishermen, nor'east, etc.? are they asking for these types of articles to please a certain population of angler and not caring about the other caveats that may now arise? if so, i think it is poor judgement. in this day and age it is also the responsibility of these magazines to look out into all these msg boards (local ones for the region) for what is said, especially when they are the focus. also, anglers need to send their comments in. how many that were upset with the article still have not sent an email to otw editors? if not, dont complain. if you did, good for you and you may be part of the difference if one is decided.

while some say that they have seen more anglers fishing at spot x or z listed in that article, imagine seeing spot j or w or s that was hot the last 2 nights being posted continuously in report areas by one or several anglers. imagine seeing those day-late, dollar-short anglers now coming down asking where to cast and how it was as they heard about it on the internet. how does that taste? and i'm supposed to open my log book to them? you have a rod, there's the water, learn like the rest of us and learn to fish, not catch. you may just earn some respect from those around you as well.

[Sea Dangles]

I wonder how Steve and #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& would feel if I listed some of their "private" spots.

[jkswimmer]

The two of them have been talking about spots to people on the Cape for awhile now.

[Maloney]

Basic Patrick just hit the nail on the head.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I wonder how Steve and #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& would feel if I listed some of their "private" spots.

If you have to wonder more than a second, than I guess you are not that bright