Senate President Rosenburg

[Sea Dangles]

So now this guys husband is getting investigated for groping guys against their will.

Then we have the transgender who is suing for access to girls locker room in high school...

Finally the verdict in the Steinle killing out in The disgraceful sanctuary city of San Francisco where a woman is shot in the back and killed while taking a walk with her father.

So remind me again how this Country decided to elect a a moron like Trump who seems cast from the Flintstones. Do you think it is because the direction we were heading,with the liberal snowflakes poisoning our future, was a one way track to self destruction?

[JohnR]

I haven't been following the Steinle murder as much as I probably should, but even if it was accidental why no involuntary manslaughter?

As to the politics - if he were not here illegally she would not have died that evening. Fact, full stop.

Don't know about the other two you have there but surprise meter did not budge.

We are doomed with or without Trump

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I haven't been following the Steinle murder as much as I probably should, but even if it was accidental why no involuntary manslaughter?

As to the politics - if he were not here illegally she would not have died that evening. Fact, full stop.

"Garcia Zarate had been released from the San Francisco jail about three months before the shooting, despite a request by federal immigration authorities to detain him for deportation.

He had been deported five times and was wanted for a sixth deportation."

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by scottw

"Garcia Zarate had been released from the San Francisco jail about three months before the shooting, despite a request by federal immigration authorities to detain him for deportation.

He had been deported five times and was wanted for a sixth deportation."

says it all. she was a victim of their sop.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I haven't been following the Steinle murder as much as I probably should, but even if it was accidental why no involuntary manslaughter?

As to the politics - if he were not here illegally she would not have died that evening. Fact, full stop.

Don't know about the other two you have there but surprise meter did not budge.

We are doomed with or without Trump

There is no such thing as an accidental discharge (unless of course you are a law enforcement officer ) only negligent discharges.
His defense was easily able to convince the liberal jury that it was an accident, probably because they blame the gun and it was a ricochet.
I call bull on that crap

Not finding at least manslaughter is OUTRAGEOUS never mind involuntary
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

So now this guys husband is getting investigated for groping guys against their will.

Then we have the transgender who is suing for access to girls locker room in high school...

Finally the verdict in the Steinle killing out in The disgraceful sanctuary city of San Francisco where a woman is shot in the back and killed while taking a walk with her father.

So remind me again how this Country decided to elect a a moron like Trump who seems cast from the Flintstones. Do you think it is because the direction we were heading,with the liberal snowflakes poisoning our future, was a one way track to self destruction?

Trumps ascension was an exact consequence of what you describe, plus, the way the media treated the last two GOP candidates, both decent men. If the liberals/media choose to do nothing but sling mud, eventually the other side is going to nominate someone who can beat them at that game. Say hello to Mr Trump.

"the direction we were heading,with the liberal snowflakes poisoning our future"

I’m so old, I can remember when elementary schools handed out chocolate milk instead of condoms. And I remember it not being controversial to assume that if you have a wee-wee, you go in the men’s room.

Gee our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days!
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[nightfighter]

Thanks Chris. I needed that reminder. And just another reminder of what groups are clearly in control in the halls of our state legislature and AG's office. So wrong...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

"Garcia Zarate had been released from the San Francisco jail about three months before the shooting, despite a request by federal immigration authorities to detain him for deportation.

He had been deported five times and was wanted for a sixth deportation."

In liberalworld, it's now fashionable to defy ICE, it's a badge of honor, kind of like teenagers who think it's cool to defy their parents. Leading to similar bad outcomes.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

As to the politics - if he were not here illegally she would not have died that evening. Fact, full stop.

Or, if San Francisco didn't deliberately defy ICE and let this guy go after being asked to hold him, she would also still be alive.

But remember, it's conservatives who are waging war on women.

[Jim in CT]

ICE: Hello San Francisco law enforcement, you have a guy in your jail on a drug charge, he has been deported 5 times, can you please hold him when you are done, so we can deport him again for coming illegally and committing crimes?

San Francisco authorities: no, we're going to let him go, so nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah.

He kills a girl in broad daylight, in a public pier. And this does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to make anyone on the San Francisco town council reconsider theit sanctuary position, not even for a second. Not for a second.

A mental disorder. It's a mental disorder.

And it's not unique to liberalism, I have conservative friends who are as thoughtless when it comes to gun control.

The fanatics need to take off their tinfoil hats for two seconds, take a deep breath, and think.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I haven't been following the Steinle murder as much as I probably should, but even if it was accidental why no involuntary manslaughter?

Because of the way the law is written. It wasn't his gun, there is video evidence someone else put it there. They decided that it was likely that he picked up the gun, it went off and ricocheted and hit her. Under the law it is negligent, but not reckless so it does not meet the level needed for involuntary manslaughter. All the immigration status stuff is irrelevant to this decision.

[Slipknot]

guilty of neglect, but not involuntary manslaughter, I see
that makes it clear

Common sense makes the status relevant, if ICE was able to deport him a 6th time, he would not have been on that pier picking up a loaded handgun whether he knew what it was or not. Here is a lesson, don't pick up anything that does not belong to you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Because of the way the law is written. It wasn't his gun, there is video evidence someone else put it there. They decided that it was likely that he picked up the gun, it went off and ricocheted and hit her. Under the law it is negligent, but not reckless so it does not meet the level needed for involuntary manslaughter. All the immigration status stuff is irrelevant to this decision.

A horrible chain of events. Going to give Trump some capital in his push for immigration reform, and for good reason IMO...

[spence]

I don't understand using the word snowflake in this context. It's really childish.

[scottw]

sooooo...the guy with the rap sheet below just 'happened" to discover a loaded semi-automatic handgun under a chair and it accidentally went off unfortunately killing an innocent woman....quite a coincidence huh?#$@?


Garcia Zarate. We know that he is from Guanajuato, which is located in central Mexico. His age is different depending on which report you go by. When he was arrested, the police listed Garcia Zarate’s age as 45, but his jail records list it at 51. He is an illegal immigrant and while there are no records to show when he first came to the United States, it appears that he arrived before 1991, as his first criminal charges were laid against him in that year.

Criminal Record

While it is unknown what Garcia Zarate’s criminal record is in Mexico, we do know that he’s got a long criminal record in the United States. He had seven felony convictions, and was deported five times. Most of his arrests and convictions revolve around drugs. In 1991, he was convicted of drug charges in Arizona. In 1993, he was convicted three times in Washington state for heroin possession and manufacturing narcotics. This was followed by another narcotics conviction and his first deportation from Oregon in 1994. Two years later, Garcia Zarate faced yet another drug conviction and his second deportation in Washington state. In February 1998, he was caught illegally crossing the border in Arizona, and six days later trying again to make it across the border. This time, he was arrested for the illegal crossing, spent time in prison and sent back to Mexico in 2003. In 2009, Garcia Zarate was caught trying to cross the border again, this time in Texas, and was again deported.
Garcia Zarate was arrested in San Francisco on drug charges, but they were dropped. Despite being asked to hold him for immigration officials as there were no outstanding warrants for him, Garcia Zarate was released.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

guilty of neglect, but not involuntary manslaughter, I see that makes it clear. Suppose it was a 20 year woman who came across the gun, picked it up, it misfires, etc. I think the reason the law is written as it is would be clearer for many people.

Common sense makes the status relevant (not to the charges he was facing), if ICE was able to deport him a 6th time, he would not have been on that pier picking up a loaded handgun whether he knew what it was or not. Here is a lesson, don't pick up anything that does not belong to you.It was a crime to pick up the gun and he was convicted of that crime- possessing a weapon.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Suppose it was a 20 year woman who came across the gun, picked it up, it misfires, etc.

I'm not an expert but don't you have to pull the trigger for a gun to fire or misfire ?.....I thought "misfire" meant you pulled the trigger and nothing came out

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't understand using the word snowflake in this context. It's really childish.

You are correct Jeff,I confess to be guilty as charged. I hope the context didn't distract you from the message. Let me know if I can help or provide a safe space for you.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

guilty of neglect, but not involuntary manslaughter, I see
that makes it clear

Common sense makes the status relevant, if ICE was able to deport him a 6th time, he would not have been on that pier picking up a loaded handgun whether he knew what it was or not. Here is a lesson, don't pick up anything that does not belong to you.

Ice could have got him they chose not to.. and wanted some one else to spend their resources .. on watching him thats the rub

[Slipknot]

Well then that sucks
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Ice could have got him they chose not to.. and wanted some one else to spend their resources .. on watching him thats the rub

Is it easier to get him when he's already in custody, or when he's out in public? Which is safer?

We get it man. liberal=good, conservative=bad...

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't understand using the word snowflake in this context. It's really childish.

Would you prefer we call you a #^&#^&#^&#^&ing pussy ???
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[spence]

Why do most of RR's posts remind me of Deliverance? Maybe is the boat theme.