Senate President Rosenburg

[JohnR]

I haven't been following the Steinle murder as much as I probably should, but even if it was accidental why no involuntary manslaughter?

As to the politics - if he were not here illegally she would not have died that evening. Fact, full stop.

Don't know about the other two you have there but surprise meter did not budge.

We are doomed with or without Trump

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I haven't been following the Steinle murder as much as I probably should, but even if it was accidental why no involuntary manslaughter?

As to the politics - if he were not here illegally she would not have died that evening. Fact, full stop.

"Garcia Zarate had been released from the San Francisco jail about three months before the shooting, despite a request by federal immigration authorities to detain him for deportation.

He had been deported five times and was wanted for a sixth deportation."

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by scottw

"Garcia Zarate had been released from the San Francisco jail about three months before the shooting, despite a request by federal immigration authorities to detain him for deportation.

He had been deported five times and was wanted for a sixth deportation."

says it all. she was a victim of their sop.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

"Garcia Zarate had been released from the San Francisco jail about three months before the shooting, despite a request by federal immigration authorities to detain him for deportation.

He had been deported five times and was wanted for a sixth deportation."

In liberalworld, it's now fashionable to defy ICE, it's a badge of honor, kind of like teenagers who think it's cool to defy their parents. Leading to similar bad outcomes.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I haven't been following the Steinle murder as much as I probably should, but even if it was accidental why no involuntary manslaughter?

As to the politics - if he were not here illegally she would not have died that evening. Fact, full stop.

Don't know about the other two you have there but surprise meter did not budge.

We are doomed with or without Trump

There is no such thing as an accidental discharge (unless of course you are a law enforcement officer ) only negligent discharges.
His defense was easily able to convince the liberal jury that it was an accident, probably because they blame the gun and it was a ricochet.
I call bull on that crap

Not finding at least manslaughter is OUTRAGEOUS never mind involuntary
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

As to the politics - if he were not here illegally she would not have died that evening. Fact, full stop.

Or, if San Francisco didn't deliberately defy ICE and let this guy go after being asked to hold him, she would also still be alive.

But remember, it's conservatives who are waging war on women.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I haven't been following the Steinle murder as much as I probably should, but even if it was accidental why no involuntary manslaughter?

Because of the way the law is written. It wasn't his gun, there is video evidence someone else put it there. They decided that it was likely that he picked up the gun, it went off and ricocheted and hit her. Under the law it is negligent, but not reckless so it does not meet the level needed for involuntary manslaughter. All the immigration status stuff is irrelevant to this decision.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Because of the way the law is written. It wasn't his gun, there is video evidence someone else put it there. They decided that it was likely that he picked up the gun, it went off and ricocheted and hit her. Under the law it is negligent, but not reckless so it does not meet the level needed for involuntary manslaughter. All the immigration status stuff is irrelevant to this decision.

A horrible chain of events. Going to give Trump some capital in his push for immigration reform, and for good reason IMO...

[scottw]

sooooo...the guy with the rap sheet below just 'happened" to discover a loaded semi-automatic handgun under a chair and it accidentally went off unfortunately killing an innocent woman....quite a coincidence huh?#$@?


Garcia Zarate. We know that he is from Guanajuato, which is located in central Mexico. His age is different depending on which report you go by. When he was arrested, the police listed Garcia Zarate’s age as 45, but his jail records list it at 51. He is an illegal immigrant and while there are no records to show when he first came to the United States, it appears that he arrived before 1991, as his first criminal charges were laid against him in that year.

Criminal Record

While it is unknown what Garcia Zarate’s criminal record is in Mexico, we do know that he’s got a long criminal record in the United States. He had seven felony convictions, and was deported five times. Most of his arrests and convictions revolve around drugs. In 1991, he was convicted of drug charges in Arizona. In 1993, he was convicted three times in Washington state for heroin possession and manufacturing narcotics. This was followed by another narcotics conviction and his first deportation from Oregon in 1994. Two years later, Garcia Zarate faced yet another drug conviction and his second deportation in Washington state. In February 1998, he was caught illegally crossing the border in Arizona, and six days later trying again to make it across the border. This time, he was arrested for the illegal crossing, spent time in prison and sent back to Mexico in 2003. In 2009, Garcia Zarate was caught trying to cross the border again, this time in Texas, and was again deported.
Garcia Zarate was arrested in San Francisco on drug charges, but they were dropped. Despite being asked to hold him for immigration officials as there were no outstanding warrants for him, Garcia Zarate was released.