Striper Cup standings

[zacs]

Mike, don't let a little healthy debate sour you.

It is all in good fun.

[BrianS]

just curious, as ive yet to weigh anything in, what canal area shops do weigh ins? I know M+D's but outside of that I wouldnt know where to go?

[Saltheart]

The 1.3 factor , etc can be easily recalculated each year and it will become more and more stable as the calculation involves multiple years of final data. Last year it was 1 to 1 . That was too much advantage for boats. This year its 1.3 , that , some say , is too much advantage for shore , we will see when this years results are final. Next year they can recalculate the multiplier using 2 years of data . Its really simple to continuously update the multiplier using a running avergae , year to year , with the multiplier equalizing the first place or first five places between mostly shore teams and mostly boat teams.

Number of members being restricted is against the whole point of the tourney. The tourney exists so people can participate , not so that some club can win a trophy! I am signed up on the S_B team this year but until my hip is operated on , I won't get a fish. I knew this before I signed up . I signed up so I can go to the party at the end with my firends. Why should that be limited? In fact I think there should be a trophy for the team that has the most number of paid entries.

[Slingah]

Originally Posted by BrianS

just curious, as ive yet to weigh anything in, what canal area shops do weigh ins? I know M+D's but outside of that I wouldnt know where to go?

here ya go
http://www.onthewater.com/stripercup...rstations.html

[Mr. Sandman]

Well just to keep the debate going, Internet teams with thousands of members spread across a wide geographic area have the potential to assemble a massive army of fishermen (good, bad or otherwise), which can drawf the smaller local clubs. In the Shaffer days there was no Internet teams, just local clubs. Imagine a team with a 1000 fishermen spread from NJ to MA culling the best 10 fish vs a team of a dozen or two fishermen from a local club fishing the same area. Who do you think has an advantage? Statistically there is a strong advantage to the team with the largest numbers.
You don't have to take draconian measures and limit team size at all...rather normalize the score based on team size so that the score reflects an equivalent team size. I don't know if this is the case at all and it may not be an issue but the way I see it allow a mega teams with out normalizing discourages smaller teams from even entering.

[BrianS]

very nice...
thank you.

[RIJIMMY]

Disclaimer: I am not participating in the tournament, mainly because I never catch fish big enough to enter and also because I’m not a “social” fisherman, not interested in the outing/competition. I’m also a catch and release fan (not to derail!!), except for the purpose of eating fish.

That said, I do get psyched when S-B is in the lead and all of you catch and enter fish.

My take is from the OTW perspective, there is certainly a marketing and exposure element for the magazine, it gets there name out there and helps keep subscribers engaged. But mostly, I think this is a true effort to bring the striped bass community together. The tournament is supposed to be FUN.
If I was at OTW, and kept getting all this feedback, its obvious that the tournament has not brought the community together, its pulled it apart and lost its purpose of having FUN. OTW may just say F’em, we tried but this is too much work and cancel any future tournaments.

That said, I may have already ruined the future sponsorship from Harpoon. I was visting my friend in Maine who’s sister in law works for Harpoon and helped coordinate the striperfest last year. She is VERY earthy (aka PETA) and I was surprised she was involved. She told me its no big deal, it’s a catch and release tournament. I told her its not and that I have been there when fish were weighed in, they were dead. HSe argued with me for awhile. She was pretty upset, so……maybe I screwed that one up…….

[johnny ducketts]

Are We the Yankees, Of Striped -Bass Fishing?


Imagine a team with a 1000 fishermen spread from NJ to MA culling the best 10 fish vs a team of a dozen or two fishermen from a local club fishing the same area.

A self Proclaimed evil empire of salt water fisherman.. Lined up like legions of roman soldiers all wearing waders and holding surf rods like spears..

Sorry, just the description of a massive horde of surfcasters is a funny image to think about.

[luds]

They post the results on the internet too. Welcome to the 21st century.

I'm fine with a number of anglers cap but don't fault a team for being more organized.

[snake slinger]

how many members does risaa have? or msba or mbba or rims? we dont need a cap.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

Well just to keep the debate going, Internet teams with thousands of members spread across a wide geographic area have the potential to assemble a massive army of fishermen (good, bad or otherwise), which can drawf the smaller local clubs. In the Shaffer days there was no Internet teams, just local clubs. Imagine a team with a 1000 fishermen spread from NJ to MA culling the best 10 fish vs a team of a dozen or two fishermen from a local club fishing the same area. Who do you think has an advantage? Statistically there is a strong advantage to the team with the largest numbers.
You don't have to take draconian measures and limit team size at all...rather normalize the score based on team size so that the score reflects an equivalent team size. I don't know if this is the case at all and it may not be an issue but the way I see it allow a mega teams with out normalizing discourages smaller teams from even entering.

But 4 of the SB fish are from 2 guys, some other teams have multiples also...
So if 40% of a teams fish come from 2 guys how does that affect the statistical advantage of having many members spread out over hundreds of miles.
Hey, I can just barely add so I'll never figure that out.

[tattoobob]

Be careful that is post 666

[livinit]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

The 1.3 factor , etc can be easily recalculated each year and it will become more and more stable as the calculation involves multiple years of final data. Last year it was 1 to 1 . That was too much advantage for boats. This year its 1.3 , that , some say , is too much advantage for shore , we will see when this years results are final. Next year they can recalculate the multiplier using 2 years of data . Its really simple to continuously update the multiplier using a running avergae , year to year , with the multiplier equalizing the first place or first five places between mostly shore teams and mostly boat teams.

Number of members being restricted is against the whole point of the tourney. The tourney exists so people can participate , not so that some club can win a trophy! I am signed up on the S_B team this year but until my hip is operated on , I won't get a fish. I knew this before I signed up . I signed up so I can go to the party at the end with my firends. Why should that be limited? In fact I think there should be a trophy for the team that has the most number of paid entries.

You don't have to be on a team to go to the Striper Fest. You just have to be signed up for the Striper Cup. You can do that as an individual angler and still have a shot at winning the boat and partying with your friends. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can even go as a guest, but you won't have your name in for the drawing for the boat . . . right? But I agree with you about finding the right average . . . it most likely will take a few years to figure everything out. It's only the second year they're doing this . . . and to my understanding they are pretty understaffed at OTW and only a couple guys are running this thing. They need more staff and a new web site coordinator. I'd really like to see that web site updated a hell of a lot more than it is now.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by livinit

You don't have to be on a team to go to the Striper Fest. You just have to be signed up for the Striper Cup. You can do that as an individual angler and still have a shot at winning the boat and partying with your friends. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can even go as a guest, but you won't have your name in for the drawing for the boat . . . right? But I agree with you about finding the right average . . . it most likely will take a few years to figure everything out.

What is a fair factor on boat -v- shore? I was thinking about this lately. We can't predict if a year is going to be beneficial to the boat guys or the shore folk or a draw so would this have an impact on 1.2, 1.25, or 1.3 ? Would this number vary by year?


Yep, Striperfest is for teams and individuals as well as guest. Last year they passed out extra invites to various teams, maybe they'll do the same again this year. Turnout last year was pretty good considering the weather blew...

It's only the second year they're doing this . . . and to my understanding they are pretty understaffed at OTW and only a couple guys are running this thing. They need more staff and a new web site coordinator. I'd really like to see that web site updated a hell of a lot more than it is now.

I'd get OTW humming with a real nice site - part time . But the guy doing it is a nice guy and in all fairness probably has a lot on his plate (though if he left I would surely apply ).

Hmmmm, maybe the New England edition of The Fisherman needs a web guy - I wonder if Herr Editor has any thoughts on that

[Zeno]

anybody finds weird that not one fish in all the years this thing has been around was entered by NY anglers?We really must be googans...........

[Back Beach]

Originally Posted by Zeno

anybody finds weird that not one fish in all the years this thing has been around was entered by NY anglers?We really must be googans...........

Curious as to why you guys don't field a team?

Would make for a good coastwide battle.

[Zeno]

I run the contest for The Fisherman magazine,year round ,15 NY surf clubs.Its basically an honor system other than for largest fish of the year which either has to be weighted in the tackle shop or can be witnessed and released by another member of any club participating in the contest.Its more for bragging rights than anything else ,nobody should take it too serious...........however ,most of the fish are released.My club ,High Hill Striper hasn't killed a fish this year (that I know of) strange considering they are in first place and have many biggest of specie ranking including biggest bluefish of 20+ pounds.
What I trying to say ,I cant see NY anglers killing a fish for a contest.......not that there is anything wrong with it ,of course

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Zeno

anybody finds weird that not one fish in all the years this thing has been around was entered by NY anglers?We really must be googans...........

It's only been around a year and a half, Z

But I lived on LI for many years and know from what you speak.

Here, I have to explain myself when I release a nice fish

On LI, I'd get dirty looks if I kept one.

You guys police yourself very well, too, in that club contest.

[tattoobob]

Mike the best line I always hear is, if your no going to keep that fish can I have it? And I always answer, if I wanted this fish to Die I would keep it myself