Striper Cup standings

[Saltheart]

The 1.3 factor , etc can be easily recalculated each year and it will become more and more stable as the calculation involves multiple years of final data. Last year it was 1 to 1 . That was too much advantage for boats. This year its 1.3 , that , some say , is too much advantage for shore , we will see when this years results are final. Next year they can recalculate the multiplier using 2 years of data . Its really simple to continuously update the multiplier using a running avergae , year to year , with the multiplier equalizing the first place or first five places between mostly shore teams and mostly boat teams.

Number of members being restricted is against the whole point of the tourney. The tourney exists so people can participate , not so that some club can win a trophy! I am signed up on the S_B team this year but until my hip is operated on , I won't get a fish. I knew this before I signed up . I signed up so I can go to the party at the end with my firends. Why should that be limited? In fact I think there should be a trophy for the team that has the most number of paid entries.

[Mr. Sandman]

Well just to keep the debate going, Internet teams with thousands of members spread across a wide geographic area have the potential to assemble a massive army of fishermen (good, bad or otherwise), which can drawf the smaller local clubs. In the Shaffer days there was no Internet teams, just local clubs. Imagine a team with a 1000 fishermen spread from NJ to MA culling the best 10 fish vs a team of a dozen or two fishermen from a local club fishing the same area. Who do you think has an advantage? Statistically there is a strong advantage to the team with the largest numbers.
You don't have to take draconian measures and limit team size at all...rather normalize the score based on team size so that the score reflects an equivalent team size. I don't know if this is the case at all and it may not be an issue but the way I see it allow a mega teams with out normalizing discourages smaller teams from even entering.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

Well just to keep the debate going, Internet teams with thousands of members spread across a wide geographic area have the potential to assemble a massive army of fishermen (good, bad or otherwise), which can drawf the smaller local clubs. In the Shaffer days there was no Internet teams, just local clubs. Imagine a team with a 1000 fishermen spread from NJ to MA culling the best 10 fish vs a team of a dozen or two fishermen from a local club fishing the same area. Who do you think has an advantage? Statistically there is a strong advantage to the team with the largest numbers.
You don't have to take draconian measures and limit team size at all...rather normalize the score based on team size so that the score reflects an equivalent team size. I don't know if this is the case at all and it may not be an issue but the way I see it allow a mega teams with out normalizing discourages smaller teams from even entering.

But 4 of the SB fish are from 2 guys, some other teams have multiples also...
So if 40% of a teams fish come from 2 guys how does that affect the statistical advantage of having many members spread out over hundreds of miles.
Hey, I can just barely add so I'll never figure that out.

[tattoobob]

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[livinit]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

The 1.3 factor , etc can be easily recalculated each year and it will become more and more stable as the calculation involves multiple years of final data. Last year it was 1 to 1 . That was too much advantage for boats. This year its 1.3 , that , some say , is too much advantage for shore , we will see when this years results are final. Next year they can recalculate the multiplier using 2 years of data . Its really simple to continuously update the multiplier using a running avergae , year to year , with the multiplier equalizing the first place or first five places between mostly shore teams and mostly boat teams.

Number of members being restricted is against the whole point of the tourney. The tourney exists so people can participate , not so that some club can win a trophy! I am signed up on the S_B team this year but until my hip is operated on , I won't get a fish. I knew this before I signed up . I signed up so I can go to the party at the end with my firends. Why should that be limited? In fact I think there should be a trophy for the team that has the most number of paid entries.

You don't have to be on a team to go to the Striper Fest. You just have to be signed up for the Striper Cup. You can do that as an individual angler and still have a shot at winning the boat and partying with your friends. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can even go as a guest, but you won't have your name in for the drawing for the boat . . . right? But I agree with you about finding the right average . . . it most likely will take a few years to figure everything out. It's only the second year they're doing this . . . and to my understanding they are pretty understaffed at OTW and only a couple guys are running this thing. They need more staff and a new web site coordinator. I'd really like to see that web site updated a hell of a lot more than it is now.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by livinit

You don't have to be on a team to go to the Striper Fest. You just have to be signed up for the Striper Cup. You can do that as an individual angler and still have a shot at winning the boat and partying with your friends. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can even go as a guest, but you won't have your name in for the drawing for the boat . . . right? But I agree with you about finding the right average . . . it most likely will take a few years to figure everything out.

What is a fair factor on boat -v- shore? I was thinking about this lately. We can't predict if a year is going to be beneficial to the boat guys or the shore folk or a draw so would this have an impact on 1.2, 1.25, or 1.3 ? Would this number vary by year?


Yep, Striperfest is for teams and individuals as well as guest. Last year they passed out extra invites to various teams, maybe they'll do the same again this year. Turnout last year was pretty good considering the weather blew...

It's only the second year they're doing this . . . and to my understanding they are pretty understaffed at OTW and only a couple guys are running this thing. They need more staff and a new web site coordinator. I'd really like to see that web site updated a hell of a lot more than it is now.

I'd get OTW humming with a real nice site - part time . But the guy doing it is a nice guy and in all fairness probably has a lot on his plate (though if he left I would surely apply ).

Hmmmm, maybe the New England edition of The Fisherman needs a web guy - I wonder if Herr Editor has any thoughts on that