TOSSED

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

No, it wasn't a troll. The part about the letter and subsequent DQ was information for the masses I thought would be appreciated. The solidarity part was meant as a joke. Like going potty in the cup I guess. As far as the tournament being close;I doubt it as a member of our team hung a corker from shore on the last day of the competition that wil place him in our top 5 for points.Finally, for the sake of clarity,let me reiterate that nobody on Team Striper condones poaching and I am certain there was none committed to give the team an advantage in this stupid tournament. That being said, "Where is my key."

Chris - Thanks for clearing that up. Wasn't sure where the story began and ended.

Even without a large shore fish at the end, S-B would not have near enough points.

[Tagger]

Troll ?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Tagger

Troll ?

You Rang

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Man I was on the fence about signing up for the Cup.Now I'm glad I didn't.

Tournies for charity like the Chris Potts or Hab's are what its all about.The only winners are the families of those who died way before their time.

Anybody who has thought about fishing a competitive tournament will think twice after reading this thread.

After seeing the responses in this thread I'll never sign up for the Striper Cup ever again.

OOOOOO, basswipe!
i'm skeeeered now too!!
NOT!!!

well, if WE follow that irrational, then we should ALL withdraw
because of the alleged illegal actions of one LOSER!??!

ya gotta be sheeeting me, MAN!
one guy efff's up and NOW the whole Tourney is suspect, tainted,
not worthy of basswipe's participation. who gives a rat's arse??

have your opinion, no prob,,,,,,,,,,,,,

but to state that NOW everyone else should follow your position is somehwat grandiose, doan ya think? perhaps you didn't enter cuz you don't do so well when pitted against other high hookers? or, is the deadline thing too much pressh for ya? or, simply you don't like meat tourneys?

whichever, or for whatever reason, state it for what it is~~
but, to blame OTW and its signature event, or to just universally condemn tournament fishing sounds like someone with an axe to grind and it is not related to the case, in point, here! what's wrong bw, did they not deliver a coupla issues last year?


for me, the Striper Cup was a BLAST!!
i thought that it was very well run ~considering the scope and magnitude of such a HUGE event. LOVED the Team competition and the added excitement that comes with following the totals board, seeing who's won for which week, and checking for the angler of the year race ~~which was a tight one this season and very inspiring!! the added bonus is the big shindig that gets thrown next weekend on tha Hahbah to commemorate this 2008 Season, the HIGHS and the LOWS!!!



something tells me that the POSITIVES of this Year's Striper Cup
will far, faaaaar OUTWEIGH the negatives or the misgivings of the FEW

[Jenn]

This is rediculous! Not too long ago there was a thread about cheating in tourneys. This is why I stated why I cant stand them. Jealousy, rumors, cheating, backstabbing and a whole lot of petty drama.

Assuming the rest of the team still pulls off the win it should be theirs to celebrate (minus the bad apple of course). Though its apparent they will be guilty by association and rumors.

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Jenn

This is rediculous! Not too long ago there was a thread about cheating in tourneys. This is why I stated why I cant stand them. Jealousy, rumors, cheating, backstabbing and a whole lot of petty drama.

Assuming the rest of the team still pulls off the win it should be theirs to celebrate (minus the bad apple of course). Though its apparent they will be guilty by association and rumors.

i have to wholeheartedly, and with much RESPECT, disagree!!

there is NO TAINT to Team Striper's WIN!!

one guy cheated, HE was removed from their totals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
LEGITIMATE points were/will replace the illegitimate ones
and we and The Cup moves on. only those, mostly non-participants angling to justify their non-entry,
seem to be the most effected by the unfortunate choices by a slime-ball poacher. i could care LESS, and i salute Team Striper as a whole unit and will not misrepresent them ~or the Tounament~ by the misbehavior of ONE crumb-bum!

nor, should we assume that Team Striper would not have won!
this does not mean that THEY ALL cheated! those guys would've won this year without Bradshaw's
ill-gotten stripeys, and they feeshed their tails OFF, and they deserve to SIP, PISS, RAISE The Cup high,
hold it for the year, and do whatever the heck they want to do to IT ~~ until WE WREST it from their "pro" hands next season.

simply, CHEERS Team Striper!!! and CONGRATS
on a well fished and well deserved WIN!!!


besides we still had the Angler of the Year, and
I predict the Trifecta for next year:

The Cup, Angler of the Year, & Catch of the Year!!

[The Dad Fisherman]

Bassdawg....I think basswipe was just saying that this ain't his cup of tea....don't think he meant we all needed to stop participating.

[stiff tip]

Originally Posted by johnny ducketts

is this cupgate?

dont u dare get capt cupcake involved. he was at church that day...

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Anybody who has thought about fishing a competitive tournament will think twice after reading this thread.

After seeing the responses in this thread I'll never sign up for the Striper Cup ever again.

Really?

i hear ya, The Dad, just seems never and anybody are kindof absolutes,
and i just feel that ONE mommaluke does NOT a tourney make!!

i had a BALL, and would encourage ANYBODY to sign up for next year ~who was thinking about it!
you get a cooool shirt, a hat pin, and a discount on the subscription,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

what's BETTER than that? the PERFECT meat for grand prizes/schwag tournament does not exist, and this one got cleaned up in due process. good on ya, OTW!!

[Rappin Mikey]

If U reely fast they always call U da cheetah!!

[BassDawg]

funny stuff, Mikey!

[Raider Ronnie]

All this bull%$%$%$%$ for a stupid CUP !!!

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

All this bull%$%$%$%$ for a stupid CUP !!!

Exactly.
Fishing is fishing. It is supposed to be fun.

There is a reason I don't enter....

[bloocrab]

I've put teams together before, not for fishing tourneys but for other sport activities. In putting those teams together, each individual is chosen based on his honesty first, talent 2nd. To me, to win dishonestly, is NOT winning...period. I believe a team-mate is a reflection of the team and the team a reflection of it's members. I believe Team Striper SHOULD remove itself completely based on their poor decision in picking their players or allowing people to join.

To compare this to Professional football is wrong. They (Football) will do whatever it takes to win, be it honestly or NOT. In comparing this to PRO football, ...it's like saying you would do whatever it takes to win, including dishonest measures as has been and continues to happen in football. If that is the case, than so be it, but don't try to sell it differently. It is ....what it is.

If I were putting a football team together, I would not add an intentionally DIRTY styled player to my team. Regardless of how talented he was, I want to walk off that field PROUD of my victory, not clouded with thoughts that perhaps we won dishonestly. This is not an individual tourney, it's a TEAM tourney. IMO - his dishonesty would out weigh any of his talent. My team may not win the Bowl, but where-ever we got,...we got there honestly. You reflect what you surround yourself with. If one really doesn't care what people think.........than one should not post about it at all.
Just my Opinion - If he was caught during the first few weeks of the tourney, sure...disqualify HIM.
Being caught doing what he did after the tourney even though it's not tourney related....???....The team should disqualify itself to save face, as well as try to ensure OTW that the team is LEGIT regardless of what happened with one of it's members after the fact.




Short, but true story - I had a REALLY big guy on my Deck Hockey team, I wasn't sure of his character but knew of his intimidation factor from previous seasons when he was on the opposing teams. He was a guy that a forward didn't want to go into the corner with. In Hockey, intimidation is BIG, so he was added to the roster as a defenseman. Turns out he was an incredible HACK. He would intentionally hack the opposing players, I'm not talking about tapping shin guards here, I'm talking about taking guys out. He'd get penalized, but his intimidation also affected the referees, so he was putting a hurtin' on quite a few people....now hockey is hockey, it's NOT for sissy's...but he was abusing what I consider should be tolerated. He would also cross-check when he felt he could get away with it. So one day during one of our practices, I lost it. I ran up to him, and started whacking him with my stick....he looked at me like.....WTF are you doing as he fell to the ground ??? I told him, HOW DO YOU LIKE IT??? In the box we had the conversation, I will not tolerate DIRTY measures nor dishonesty on my team. If that's the way you want to play, go somewhere else. This isn't about winning the Stanley Cup and possibly millions $$$, it's about a bunch of guys who enjoy the sport, and even more when the competitive aspect is added to it.

Luckily, he thought I was n#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g futz, and didn't turn me into a pretzel....

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

All this bull%$%$%$%$ for a stupid CUP !!!

NO, NO Ronnie!!
Not stupid Cup ~~~~~it's

The Striper Cup


and many others and i had a BALL defending her, for
*SHE is the pinnacle of our recreation and the aspiration
for team angler's along the entire Striper Coast!!!*

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

NO, NO Ronnie!!
Not stupid Cup ~~~~~it's

The Striper Cup


and many others and i had a BALL defending her, for
*SHE is the pinnacle of our recreation and the aspiration
for team angler's along the entire Striper Coast!!!*

I feel bad for anyone that the Stiper Cup is the pinnacle of the sport. I joined and was happy to fish for S-B. The mere opportunity to fish is worth more than a thousand victories of the cup. Maybe Im not a competitive person, who knows.

[JohnR]

I would agree that while the Cup is great to fish for and can add an interesting element, if the Cup were to disappear tomorrow I could adjust just fine.

I usually enjoy fishing Tourneys but that is not why I fish.

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Exactly.
Fishing is fishing. It is supposed to be fun.

There is a reason I don't enter....

for MANY surfcasters,,,,,,,,,,,

competitive fishing is the very definition of:













FUNNNN!!!

[BigFish]

Fun is fishing with my buddies and all of us catching fish! We don't care who gets the biggest fish or who gets the most fish.....its just fun to watch each other catching fish! I am not competitive when it comes to fishing and I only registered for a shot at winning the boat! So....all the rest of it really does not matter to me.....its the good will of fishing together and the good time at the Harpoon Brewery and a shot at possibly winning a boat that matters to me!

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I feel bad for anyone that the Stiper Cup is the pinnacle of the sport. I joined and was happy to fish for S-B. The mere opportunity to fish is worth more than a thousand victories of the cup. Maybe Im not a competitive person, who knows.

i use the asterisk to dentote sarcasm, tongue-in-cheekedness, bro!



my opinion is more inline with the Bossman's.

i don't fish because of the Tournaments, but the oppoprtunity
for schwaaaag is NICE, and the team aspect is envigorating!

with or without tournament fishing, i am still gonna pound the surf~~

working it to improve my personal bests, meet and feesh with fellow stripermen, and achieve the solitude and sanity that comes from being connected to our beautiful prey while communing with the majestic shores of NE ~~through sights and smells and sounds and lifetime moments that the surf of the Mighty Atlantic is wont to allow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

*THAT, and i AM one sickly competitive BASTAGE ~~by nature!!!*

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

for MANY surfcasters,,,,,,,,,,,
competitive fishing is the very definition of:

Well,
thats why I dont fish with guys like that BD.
My 'circle of trust' is small, and consists of guys more interested in the pursuit than the cup or any other tourney.

[BassDawg]

that's cool, Bryan...........

point well taken, and it will prolly take me
several more years, God Willing, to arrive

at the Zen side of our pursuit, although~~

i DO get it, and i DO love the chase. i guess
i'm just NOT embracing the genteel side, quite yet,

*which COULD explain many of my monstah mishaps!!*

[Crafty Angler]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Well,
thats why I dont fish with guys like that BD.
My 'circle of trust' is small, and consists of guys more interested in the pursuit than the cup or any other tourney.

Well, from what I hear from Jake and Elwood Jude lately, you do a lot of pursuin', Bry

Gotta be a blood feud goin' on here - I guess they took umbrage at something or other...

[DZ]

This is interesting to say the least. I have to tread lightly here with my comments. I've never been a fan of this tourney but to their credit OTW has tried to improve it over the years. For the first time this season I just checked the club standings. I'm somewhat surprised that a few of my home fishing club members(and some past members) are also members of the team in question. Not that THEY did anything wrong... but as a club president I'm somewhat concerned when my fellow members are (albeit only by association) on a "team" involved in controversy. I've dealt with my share of controversies - nothing good comes from them and if they are substantiated it reflects poorly on a "recreational" organization.

DZ

[Jenn]

[QUOTE=BassDawg;624398]i have to wholeheartedly, and with much RESPECT, disagree!!

there is NO TAINT to Team Striper's WIN!!

one guy cheated, HE was removed from their totals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
LEGITIMATE points were/will replace the illegitimate ones
and we and The Cup moves on. QUOTE]

You and I are actually agreeing. please read my post again. If you misinterpreted my words than I am sorry I wasnt clear enough. I DO think their win should stand as long as their next biggest LEGAL fish still puts them in #1 spot. And I never said they all cheated just because one person did. when I said they would be "guilty by association and rumors" it was because some stated already that other team members may have been aware of the cheating......is that not assuming guilt by association or rumor?

Personally I have witnessed cheating in the past in tournaments and so my opinion has been formed that there is always the POSSIBILITY for cheating in any tournament.Therefore thats why I dont believe in them. It is sad, yes. They should be fun but I have seen it turn to this one too many times and just cant stomach it. Is it really worth it?

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

OOOOOO, basswipe!
i'm skeeeered now too!!
NOT!!!



have your opinion, no prob,,,,,,,,,,,,,

but to state that NOW everyone else should follow your position is somehwat grandiose, doan ya think? perhaps you didn't enter cuz you don't do so well when pitted against other high hookers? or, is the deadline thing too much pressh for ya? or, simply you don't like meat tourneys?

whichever, or for whatever reason, state it for what it is~~
but, to blame OTW and its signature event, or to just universally condemn tournament fishing sounds like someone with an axe to grind and it is not related to the case, in point, here! what's wrong bw, did they not deliver a coupla issues last year?


for me, the Striper Cup was a BLAST!!
i thought that it was very well run ~considering the scope and magnitude of such a HUGE event. LOVED the Team competition and the added excitement that comes with following the totals board, seeing who's won for which week, and checking for the angler of the year race ~~which was a tight one this season and very inspiring!! the added bonus is the big shindig that gets thrown next weekend on tha Hahbah to commemorate this 2008 Season, the HIGHS and the LOWS!!!



something tells me that the POSITIVES of this Year's Striper Cup
will far, faaaaar OUTWEIGH the negatives or the misgivings of the FEW

Huh?

Don't lay into me Dawg.That is my opinion.

Competative tournaments breed sh!thouse attitudes just like yours.I guess my opinion just don't count ,which is one that would rather fish for charity than personal profit.The effing prize don't mean sh!t,those that are helped mean everything.

PS Dawg where the FVck in my post did I state this:
"well, if WE follow that irrational, then we should ALL withdraw because of the alleged illegal actions of one LOSER!??!

ya gotta be sheeeting me, MAN!one guy efff's up and NOW the whole Tourney is suspect, tainted,
not worthy of basswipe's participation. who gives a rat's arse??"

I never mentioned the aformentioned violator anywhere in my post.I'm curious Dawg as to how you interpreted that I even had an opinion on the accused or the team he was involved in.Please explain.My only statement was is that I don't fish the type of tournament that this guy/team were involved in because IMO they suck.

News flash:USA=IMO.Deal.

So,according to you Dawg,fishing for charity must be lame.Did I interpret your opinion wrong?Probably not but that's how i see it.

Read between the quotes Dawg and then look at the studity(size) of this thread.

My opinion is valid and I'll damn well stand by it,I EARNED that right.You don't like it...then move on and don't reply dammit!

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Bassdawg....I think basswipe was just saying that this ain't his cup of tea....don't think he meant we all needed to stop participating.

Exactly.

Can't understand why Dawg took such offense.

[Pt.JudeJoe]

I AM SPARTACUS.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by DZ

This is interesting to say the least. I have to tread lightly here with my comments. I've never been a fan of this tourney but to their credit OTW has tried to improve it over the years. For the first time this season I just checked the club standings. I'm somewhat surprised that a few of my home fishing club members(and some past members) are also members of the team in question. Not that THEY did anything wrong... but as a club president I'm somewhat concerned when my fellow members are (albeit only by association) on a "team" involved in controversy. I've dealt with my share of controversies - nothing good comes from them and if they are substantiated it reflects poorly on a "recreational" organization.

DZ

To be honest Dennis, I'm somewhat surprised to see you go down this road. Not only are you aware Sean is not a member of the club but there is also the fact that your implications may rub some of the members the wrong way. Perhaps this is a subject that would be better discussed at a meeting or in a newsletter. I would guess there are some folks you are associated with that have made poor decisions in the past. If you decided to abandon them as a result of poor judgement so be it. I can't see a personal friend of the accused turning their back on him as a result of the allegations. Nor do I anticipate a member sponsoring Sean for membership. I would venture to guess no one would have even put the pieces together unless you had brought it up. If you are afraid of tarnishing the reputation of the Newport Club perhaps more discretion would be advised.
Chris Daniels

[Circlehook]

Originally Posted by bloocrab

I've put teams together before, not for fishing tourneys but for other sport activities. In putting those teams together, each individual is chosen based on his honesty first, talent 2nd. To me, to win dishonestly, is NOT winning...period. I believe a team-mate is a reflection of the team and the team a reflection of it's members. I believe Team Striper SHOULD remove itself completely based on their poor decision in picking their players or allowing people to join.

I agree 100% with this. Thing is, I wouldn't want to be the team that wins when the other team is DQ'ed. I believe in honest play, and I want to win honestly, I don't want to win because the team that beat me cheated to win. I worked my ass of this year to weigh somthing in, it didn't happen. But I didn't borrow a fish from my brother, or weigh in a charter caught fish -- both things I could have done.

Cheaters will always cheat, and there will never be a 100% honest tournament, there never has and there never will. It is sad, but these things will happen, you only hope it isn't somone on your side bringing you down.