how sad is it when

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

thats a good question. Here is my take. So Obama said "spreading the wealth around" and that led to talk of socialism and spawned the Karl Marx question. Lets contrast that with Palin saying " our soliders are on a task from God" and that spawned great debate on this forum as well as a significant debate from the media as if Palin was a religious wack job thinking the war is about religion. Both quotes are taken to the extreme for political purposes. I think that McCain/Plain have been taken to task much more often that Obama/Biden. So if Obama is getting grief for socialism, I dont have a lot of pity.

Ultimatley it comes down to who do you want to give your $ too? I dont make $ when the US governemnt is profitable. I make it when business is profitable via a 401k or direct investments. I'd rather see the corporations get tax breaks and invest in new things and get a bigger return which I could potentially profit from.

I understand taxes just sound bad, nobody wants to pay taxes but if they are so bad, why dont we just axe them altogether. We cant! The government, in one form or the other does provide you with clean carcinogenic free water, its provides the infrastructure, the police, firemen, schools, etc, etc... The government (in theory) provides the framework for corporations to make money and keeps them from exploiting you and others. The government makes sure that actors play by the rules.

Now we can argue all day about the rights and wrongs of the current government, but government, by and large, is what makes civil societies civil.

As two too people engaging in political dialogue I think we can both can agree that government should ensure civility, but I think we disagree as to the extent government should encourage the flourishing of its people. Taxes are the price we pay to enjoy the priviledge, but when taxes or government for that matter are unfair, thats something else entirely.

Corporations dont ensure civility nor do they encourage flourishing. The bottomline is profit. Would you like a private police force? You should visit some private prisons, its a booming business in Texas.

[EarnedStripes44]

....and given that so many pride themselves on their moral absolutes, Corporations are also AMORAL.

[RIJIMMY]

im not looking for morality from corporations. We have legislators to make laws to protect citizens. I just think $ is better spent having it in the free market vs. the government doling it out.

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

im not looking for morality from corporations. We have legislators to make laws to protect citizens. I just think $ is better spent having it in the free market vs. the government doling it out.

How about government doling out money into the "free market", say to save your 401k or your small businesses liquid assets. Is that o.k.?

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

How about government doling out money into the "free market", say to save your 401k or your small businesses liquid assets. Is that o.k.?

I am 100% against the bailout.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Now that Larry King...HE is a REAL journalist...asking the tough questions that needed to be asked. I really value what he brings to the media

Hey;
he tells us about Garlique!

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[Nebe]

Love the McCain clips..

[RIJIMMY]

those are good clips, but compare them to Obamas and I still think McCain is the lesser of two evils.

[Nebe]

well most of the country disagrees with you.

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