how sad is it when

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

Enough about the 'bridge though...

lets talk about this Fox New Manufactured contreversy. Fox News almost has me believing its the second coming of the Bolsheviks.

In my opinion, I do believe that Obama's campaign overreacted. There is no need to be petty, his campaign up until now had managed to avoid the exercises in partisan slimeballing, personal attacks and media bashing. Obama should let McCain tow that barge, because Palin sure enough has filled it with plenty of sludge the media vultures can circle over and pick through. Biden should've have been more like his hair; calm, cool and collect.

...but since were stirring a pot of anti-socialist beef that I thought spoiled in the Reagan years, maybe someone can clear some things up for me about Obama's tax plan. What I have observed lately, is that the major media conglamerate has all these talking heads debating the impending financial bloodletting that will occur under Obama's tax policies, but nobody mentions how much, percentage wise, businesses in question will make. Hmmm... From what I understand, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, he plans to increase taxes on businesses that profit $250k/ yr by a hire freezing, jaw dropping, socialism inducing %4. Thats right Jim, %4. Now here is where my logic train runs off the track, how does this translate into Joe Bidens familiarity with Marxist quotations?

God almighty! Please forbid any and all marginal government intrusion/regulation into the lives of the corporate shephards as they shave all the remaining wool from their proleteriat flocks. Corporate capitalism works, letterheaded IOUs are just as good as cash!!

thats a good question. Here is my take. So Obama said "spreading the wealth around" and that led to talk of socialism and spawned the Karl Marx question. Lets contrast that with Palin saying " our soliders are on a task from God" and that spawned great debate on this forum as well as a significant debate from the media as if Palin was a religious wack job thinking the war is about religion. Both quotes are taken to the extreme for political purposes. I think that McCain/Plain have been taken to task much more often that Obama/Biden. So if Obama is getting grief for socialism, I dont have a lot of pity.

Ultimatley it comes down to who do you want to give your $ too? I dont make $ when the US governemnt is profitable. I make it when business is profitable via a 401k or direct investments. I'd rather see the corporations get tax breaks and invest in new things and get a bigger return which I could potentially profit from.

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

thats a good question. Here is my take. So Obama said "spreading the wealth around" and that led to talk of socialism and spawned the Karl Marx question. Lets contrast that with Palin saying " our soliders are on a task from God" and that spawned great debate on this forum as well as a significant debate from the media as if Palin was a religious wack job thinking the war is about religion. Both quotes are taken to the extreme for political purposes. I think that McCain/Plain have been taken to task much more often that Obama/Biden. So if Obama is getting grief for socialism, I dont have a lot of pity.

Ultimatley it comes down to who do you want to give your $ too? I dont make $ when the US governemnt is profitable. I make it when business is profitable via a 401k or direct investments. I'd rather see the corporations get tax breaks and invest in new things and get a bigger return which I could potentially profit from.

I understand taxes just sound bad, nobody wants to pay taxes but if they are so bad, why dont we just axe them altogether. We cant! The government, in one form or the other does provide you with clean carcinogenic free water, its provides the infrastructure, the police, firemen, schools, etc, etc... The government (in theory) provides the framework for corporations to make money and keeps them from exploiting you and others. The government makes sure that actors play by the rules.

Now we can argue all day about the rights and wrongs of the current government, but government, by and large, is what makes civil societies civil.

As two too people engaging in political dialogue I think we can both can agree that government should ensure civility, but I think we disagree as to the extent government should encourage the flourishing of its people. Taxes are the price we pay to enjoy the priviledge, but when taxes or government for that matter are unfair, thats something else entirely.

Corporations dont ensure civility nor do they encourage flourishing. The bottomline is profit. Would you like a private police force? You should visit some private prisons, its a booming business in Texas.