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05-05-2009, 09:41 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Newtown, CT
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Dogfish protest T-shirts
I'm trying to organize the purchase of a bunch of custom T-shirts to protest the way NMFS is handling the dogfish population. I'm not making anything off these shirts, just trying to get them into the hands of fishermen who can wear them in places where they might make a difference. Right now I'm guessing that the shirts will cost somewhere between $10 and $15. If you are interested reply back with the number of shirts you want and the sizes. Sizes will range from XXL to small. We can make payment arrangements later once we get final numbers. This is an idea of what the shirts will look like, though we may have to convert the images from photos to line art.
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05-05-2009, 09:58 AM
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Location: Chatham, MA
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I guess I'm not familiar enough with the situation. What is it that you're protesting specifically? That there are too many?
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05-05-2009, 10:09 AM
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Location: Newtown, CT
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Originally Posted by CaptMike
I guess I'm not familiar enough with the situation. What is it that you're protesting specifically? That there are too many?
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Yes, they are overrunning the ocean and eating everything in it. |
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05-05-2009, 10:38 AM
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Location: On the Island
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I don't understand how that shirt makes a statement.
It seems like you are trying to save the dogfish.
Am I missing something?
Make sure you aren't breaking any copyright laws by using those logos.  |
"It's not about the fish, it's about fishing for the fish. The fish is gravy."
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05-05-2009, 10:42 AM
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Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Marshfield
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The concept is good but the shirt doesn't nail it home with someone unfamilar with the cause. I am sure the creative members here could come up with some graphics that would get the point accross. Raven?!  |
"Sunshine Day Dream"
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05-05-2009, 12:16 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Newtown, CT
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Originally Posted by Plum Crazy
I don't understand how that shirt makes a statement.
It seems like you are trying to save the dogfish.
Am I missing something?
Make sure you aren't breaking any copyright laws by using those logos. |
The logos belong to the U.S. government and are therefore in the public domain. It's meant to be a kind of tongue in cheek statement which I think will go over better with the general public than a simple "kill all the dogfish" statement. I don't think there is much doubt that the folks from NMFS will get the point when they see the shirts. |
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05-05-2009, 12:17 PM
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lobster = striper bait
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Popes Island Performing Arts Center
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Where are the "Kill the humans that effed up the ecosystem in the first place" t-shirts?
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Ski Quicks Hole
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05-05-2009, 12:22 PM
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Join Date: May 2003
Location: Easton, MA
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Originally Posted by likwid
Where are the "Kill the humans that effed up the ecosystem in the first place" t-shirts?
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That one's right here.
http://www.stylinonline.com/tsdestro...anssobshr.html |
Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
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05-05-2009, 04:52 PM
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Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Marshfield
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Originally Posted by fishbones
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Creepy! |
"Sunshine Day Dream"
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05-05-2009, 04:59 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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They were selling doggies at my fish market on Saturday...first time I've seen that over here.
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John Redmond Thinks He's Smart By Changing My Avatar
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05-05-2009, 05:18 PM
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Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!
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Location: Marshfield
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Originally Posted by RickBomba
They were selling doggies at my fish market on Saturday...first time I've seen that over here.
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Never had it so I will refrain from using the vomit icon. With that said I've seen many guys on this site talk about how they cook them up and some rave about the taste. I'd be willing to try it if one of the experts cooked it up. |
"Sunshine Day Dream"
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05-05-2009, 05:48 PM
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Location: Libtardia
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I've had it before.... Pretty good
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
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05-05-2009, 06:05 PM
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Old Guy
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Mansfield, MA
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go to any pub or restaurant in the UK thats fish and chips!!
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05-05-2009, 06:11 PM
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Also known as OAK
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
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Originally Posted by MakoMike
Iwe may have to convert the images from photos to line art.
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www.cafepress.com |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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05-05-2009, 07:30 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2004
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I'll take an XXL.
Thanks Mike.
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05-06-2009, 07:29 AM
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
Where are the "Kill the humans that effed up the ecosystem in the first place" t-shirts?
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Pretty sure you have one  |
~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~
Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers
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05-06-2009, 07:42 AM
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Also known as OAK
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
Where are the "Kill the humans that effed up the ecosystem in the first place" t-shirts?
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You buy it at the same place you buy the 'Ted is smarter than everyone on the internet' shirts  |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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05-06-2009, 09:17 AM
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It's about respect baby!
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: ri
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
You buy it at the same place you buy the 'Ted is smarter than everyone on the internet' shirts |
love it.  |
Domination takes full concentration..
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05-06-2009, 09:59 AM
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lobster = striper bait
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Popes Island Performing Arts Center
Posts: 5,871
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
You buy it at the same place you buy the 'Ted is smarter than everyone on the internet' shirts |
Oh man, and I thought that was swapped out for the "I support my local poachers and tax evaders." tshirt.
Honestly, if you can prove that dogfish created the situation that they're in ON THEIR OWN, please, by all means...
PROVE ME WRONG WITH CONCRETE EVIDENCE BACKING IT UP.
I'll even buy you a 6 pack of something German.
Yes, thats a bet.
It shouldn't be too hard to disprove that draggers nuking away on the scale of strip mining had nothing to do with it right? 
And everyone? Nah, Just you. 
Last edited by likwid; 05-06-2009 at 10:07 AM..
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05-06-2009, 10:24 AM
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Also known as OAK
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
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Of course they didn't create it on their own, BUT in response to overfishing, these mid-sized predators (i.e dogfish, cownose rays etc..) fill the niche left by the lack of Cod; however the way I understand it, it is a negative feedback, i.e. the lack of cod and others increased the population of dogfish which is now creating a situation where cod can't compete w/ the increased dogfish....
this is based on a talk and papers I read by a guy named 'RAM' (Ransom A Myers I think) who was a Canadian fisheries biologist (I think I heard he passed away)
but what do I know.. I'm a geologist, not a fisheries biologist or a sailor/emt/ski bum  |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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05-06-2009, 10:32 AM
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lobster = striper bait
Join Date: Jul 2002
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
i.e. the lack of cod and others increased the population of dogfish which is now creating a situation where cod can't compete w/ the increased dogfish....
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Cod are doomed on their own dogfish or no dogfish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_cod
(Anyone have the NMFS newsletter where they outright said cod are screwed? Does anyone here even get it?)
Off topic for a minute, why are we still fishing for something that has been labeled vulnerable? Does anyone else see the stupidity in that? I will happily say I'm a hypocrite in this sense, but it doesn't stop me from scratching my head.
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this is based on a talk and papers I read by a guy named 'RAM' (Ransom A Myers I think) who was a Canadian fisheries biologist (I think I heard he passed away)
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Can't tell from the Meyers Lab site, but its no longer updated (since 07)
Hey, you at least went and actually decided to research on your own instead of say, blaming other fish.  |
Ski Quicks Hole
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05-06-2009, 10:46 AM
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Super Moderator
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Location: Georgetown MA
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Originally Posted by likwid
Off topic for a minute, why are we still fishing for something that has been labeled vulnerable?
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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05-06-2009, 10:54 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Rhode Island
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The most cost effective way to raise awareness about anything is to start a website. The single most empowering act for a person wishing to forward any agenda is to sign up for a Dreamweaver class at their local community college. I found having short runs of tees outsourced to be an impractical endeavor - your concern and willingness to make an effort is commendable.
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05-06-2009, 11:03 AM
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Also known as OAK
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
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Originally Posted by likwid
Hey, you at least went and actually decided to research on your own instead of say, blaming other fish. |
1. "why are we still fishing for them?" I don't know, but the rape that went on this winter for a couple of weeks of boats RAILING cod south of Block this winter (Boats from NJ, NY, CT, MA, RI) made me sick. We were just starting to see some anecdotal increases in the late fall while blackfishing. buh-bye. Comm's and Rec's are to blame in this fishery...
2. I try never to 'spout off' and all the grief I took over the pogie debate in RI, I still sleep well b/c I wasn't drinking anyones kool-aid
OUT |
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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05-06-2009, 11:12 AM
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Fish Hound
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Shrewsbury, MA & Mashpee, MA
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Originally Posted by likwid
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love the wikipedia citation  if only my college professors let me site from there  |
"There are many things in life that will catch your eye, but only a few will catch your heart.....pursue those."
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05-06-2009, 11:55 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Libtardia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
Cod are doomed on their own dogfish or no dogfish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_cod
(Anyone have the NMFS newsletter where they outright said cod are screwed? Does anyone here even get it?)
Off topic for a minute, why are we still fishing for something that has been labeled vulnerable? Does anyone else see the stupidity in that? I will happily say I'm a hypocrite in this sense, but it doesn't stop me from scratching my head.
Can't tell from the Meyers Lab site, but its no longer updated (since 07)
Hey, you at least went and actually decided to research on your own instead of say, blaming other fish. |
Ted, I took this qoute from the wikedpedia page-
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Several cod stocks collapsed in the 1990s (declined by >95% of maximum historical biomass) and have failed to recover even with the cessation of fishing.[3] This absence of the apex predator has led to a trophic cascade in many areas.[3] Many other cod stocks remain at risk.
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trophic cascade is when you remove one link of a food chain and it is filled in with more of the lower link.. When you remove the cod, dogfish or other stuff can move in and do 2 things- eat the food that the cod is trying to eat and also eat baby cod. |
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05-06-2009, 11:56 AM
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Location: Libtardia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
1. "why are we still fishing for them?" I don't know, but the rape that went on this winter for a couple of weeks of boats RAILING cod south of Block this winter (Boats from NJ, NY, CT, MA, RI) made me sick. We were just starting to see some anecdotal increases in the late fall while blackfishing. buh-bye. Comm's and Rec's are to blame in this fishery...
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when to cod spawn??? |
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05-06-2009, 03:23 PM
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According to the NMFS trawl surveys dogfish have the highest biomass in the northeast ocean. You don't think that affects cod rebuilding as well as getting to the target for fluke, flounder, etc.?
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05-06-2009, 04:23 PM
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Ruled only by the tide
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Location: Truro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum Crazy
I don't understand how that shirt makes a statement.
It seems like you are trying to save the dogfish.
Am I missing something?
Make sure you aren't breaking any copyright laws by using those logos. |
Agree. After I saw the thread (Protest) then saw the shirts...I thought the shirts were to "Save the Dogfish" |
Three-fourths of the Earth's surface is water, and one-fourth is land. It is quite clear that the good Lord intended us to spend triple the amount of time fishing as taking care of the lawn.
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05-06-2009, 04:26 PM
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This should be on a "dogfish tshirt"
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LETS GO BRANDON
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