Incompetent Bastards!

[BigFish]

Is there anyone on this spinning sphere of crap that is worth their salt at their friggin' job??? Lately I have been crushed buy an inundation of incredibly incompetent friggin morons that runs the gamut from unlicensed oil burner technicians to the damn driving school we were supposed to attend with my son tonight!!!! I spent the afternoon acquiring a new birth certificate and a new social security card for my son (because his mother is an epic beyotch!) so his new job at Stop and Shop (that he transferred to from another Stop and Shop) could pay him even though I told them that his former store would have a copy of his social security card in his file as they have been paying him since April!!!!!! Well they contended that they would still need to copy his card for his file.......even though I told them they would not need it!!!! So we got the birth certificate, and the ss card....get to the damn supermarket, hand it to his boss and his boss says.....oh we don't need it it was in his file that arrived today and oh......here are his past 2 pay checks that we thought we could not give him because we did not have his ss card but it turns out we did!!!! Then tonight we are supposed to attend his first drivers ed class at 6:00......get there and the gosh darn friggin place is pitch black and closed!!!!!! WTF!!!! Doesn't anyone know WTF they are doing anymore!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Slipknot]

you should start drinking Bigfish


No, nobody knows what they are doing anymore
total incompetence is America's new motto

[BigFish]

Oh....and this is not to mention the friggin moron at our bank where we went a couple weeks ago to make some changes on our accounts and even after reading back our wishes to us and claiming that everything was all set....the jack off screwed up, took our overdraft protection off of the wrong account and then we got charged a friggin fee for an overdraft due to their error so we went to the bank to get them to fix it and here we are a few days later only to find out they have not fixed it!!!!!!!!!:s mash:

[Backbeach Jake]

Sad but true. I got my furnace repaired after Christmas. Just a relay. These are the folks that forget to bill me and then say nothing. They just don't deliver oil . This time if it happens again I'll sue the socks off them.

[eastendlu]

Must be something in the water up in Mass in New York everyone is competent.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by eastendlu

Must be something in the water up in Mass in New York everyone is competent.

I want you to look at the Mets and Knicks front office and try repeating that again with a straight face.

[eastendlu]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I want you to look at the Mets and Knicks front office and try repeating that again with a straight face.

I was not referring to sports.Plus ya missed the .

[justplugit]

When buying things I used to just throw away the warranty card as stuff never broke.
Now i always send in the registry card and get the extended warranty on some expensive things.
Very few take pride in their work anymore.

[FishermanTim]

Then when you need to exercise the warranty YOU have to ship the product to the manufacturer out of state, not bring it back to the store where it was purchased.

[afterhours]

larry what have i been saying for years....the incompetence level in this country has reached epidemic porportions.

[RIJIMMY]

Change!

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Very few take pride in their work anymore.

Why should they take pride in their work? Work hard, pay taxes, support your family. Oh, I almost forgot....also support those that would rather not work. There's not a heck of a lot of motivation for people to really work hard in this country. A half-assed effort at most jobs nowadays is enough to keep someone employed. If they get fired it's no big deal. They either move on to another job that rewards mediocrity or someone else can support them.

[afterhours]

God help the masses of the blissfully incompetent......we've helped create them by mere acceptance.

[Backbeach Jake]

Sadly not acceptance but actual assistance. Parboil your crotch with your coffee. Yayyy you're a millionaire!!

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

Parboil your crotch with your coffee. Yayyy you're a millionaire!!

[Dad 818]

Larry, don't forget D&D!

[Joe]

I'm not saying it was not a cluster screw up on SS part, but that stuff should all be readily available. When going for a new job, show up with a pencil, references and documentation of citizenship. It shows responsibility to prospective employers and illustrates to your kid how to do it when he's on his own. I got my working papers at 14 and a soc card and went out and got a job without a car or any help from my useless parents.

[PRBuzz]

Originally Posted by fishbones

There's not a heck of a lot of motivation for people to really work hard in this country. A half-assed effort at most jobs nowadays is enough to keep someone employed. If they get fired it's no big deal. They either move on to another job that rewards mediocrity or someone else can support them.

Some of this stems from the "no child left behind" philosophy IMO. If you get fired sue the employer for discrimination, another alternative strategy, that puts fear in the employer's eyes to not fire someone.

[Joe]

I think it's because most blue-collar employees realize that management views them as little more than dispensable losers. If they do a good job, they will get no raise or promotion or decent benefits, and if they do a lousy job they can look forward to the same.

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Joe

I think it's because most blue-collar employees realize that management views them as little more than dispensable losers. If they do a good job, they will get no raise or promotion or decent benefits, and if they do a lousy job they can look forward to the same.

if i'm going to dig ditches- i'll be the best dammed ditch digger i can be..it's all about personal pride in my book.

[Joe]

How quaint. Personally, I work to get ahead.

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Joe

How quaint. Personally, I work to get ahead.

quaint??? i guess personal pride isn't important to some....getting ahead comes with the territory for some of us . having pride goes a long way towards preventing the man from keeping you down...

[Joe]

I dug ditches at East Greenwich Cemetery in my youth. Nice square corners, standard width, length, depth, dirt piled neatly on a tarp. I took a lot of pride in it. I find that usually the ditch digger analogy is used by people who never dug ditches. A couple of times they tried out college kids to help. They lasted about half a hole. I felt like cracking them over the head with the pick and putting them below where the liner was going. Good luck finding their pansy as_es with a cadaver dog in a grave yard. I could do three a day.

[FishermanTim]

My analogy would be:"If I had to shovel sh*t, I'd be the best damn sh*t shoveler there is!"
I agree that personal pride is a driving factor for those of us that actually worked for a living (I mean menial, hard labor work).
Desk jockies aren't quite the same, although the stress and BS can make them qualify when dealing with the public.
I'm not saying anyone doesn't work hard, but a lot of pride in workmanship comes from physical labor, where you develop a sense of pride in your work.
When I was in my teens there was a program in the Boston area called "Rent a Kid" where elderly residents could hiere a kid to do work for minimum wage. I did everything from painting. landscaping, general upkeep of properties and met some very interesting people along the way. When I left for the day, I left with a feeling of pride and ALWAYS got a shining review when the program called the customers on the job I ha d done.
I would say that it prepared me for the real world in a sense that hard work and a sense of personal pride do go a long way.

One aspect of my recent office positions is the "hop-scotching" from job to job and company to company.
I always thought that company loyalty was a given for job security, but I have learned that companies no longer think that way.
The thinking has gone to "the squeaky wheel gets the oil" (Conplain and get what you want, at the expense of everyone else.) and "let's reward the person that just left a competitor and came to us, so that they can do the same to us in a couple of months/years". (I'll apply at a competitor, get a raise that way, instead of working my way up the ranks, and I'll leapfrog my way up the corporate ladder without any real experience. Oh. and I'll do it again in a year and go back to the first company and start the process all over again!)

Our country's employment motto should be (in your best south-of-the-boarder accent) "It's not my yob!"

[Joe]

Every year you don't get a raise your lifetime earnings decline by how many years left if you were to remain with your current employer. So if you are 30 and you don't get that $2000 raise, and stay loyal until retirement, you lose $2000 each year for your 35 remaining working years at your place of employment. Three or four years without a raise will severely impact your lifetime earnings.

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Joe

Every year you don't get a raise your lifetime earnings decline by how many years left if you were to remain with your current employer. So if you are 30 and you don't get that $2000 raise, and stay loyal until retirement, you lose $2000 each year for your 35 remaining working years at your place of employment. Three or four years without a raise will severely impact your lifetime earnings.

And that's a fact. After 40 years in my business, I am truly saddened and confused by the attitude of employers toward employees. The grunts are now disposable and no longer considered assets. Hard work is rewarded with more and more hard work, nothing more. an ever increasing work load to maintain an ever increasing profit. The method of figureing profit today puzzles me. Every month has to be more than the last.Employees are cut out, not worthy of any investment whatsoever. Employee moral deteriorates,production flags, and it all becomes a viscious cycle.
I'm at an age where I get a SS guestimate from Uncle Sam. My income has been on a slide for 12 years. 15 of my 40 years have been rewarded with no increase of rate. I'm far from being alone.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Joe

I think it's because most blue-collar employees realize that management views them as little more than dispensable losers. If they do a good job, they will get no raise or promotion or decent benefits, and if they do a lousy job they can look forward to the same.

I find this interesting. When my dad was allowed to join my mom and me in this country after a stint in Siberia and finally the Kruschev "thaw", he got a job at a medium-sized envelope manufacturing co., barely speaking English. It was unionized and, naturally, all jobs were described as to duties and compensation. You didn't have to do more than your job description and could not be paid more or less than what was bargained for. But my dad, not knowing that (or not used to that) would do whatever was needed, description or not, with a great attitude. The owner got to really like him, even payed him extra under the table. When 10 years was up and he qualified for Soc. Sec., he retired, much to the dismay of the owner who wanted him to stay and offered more money under the table. Before that, my mom had raised me by herself working at Hudson's department store. She also was a hard worker. At that time the store was not unionized. When recession occurred and layoffs were necessary, the bosses knew her situation as a single mother and kept her on and furloughed others who had more seniority but worked there as supplement to their husband's income. I have had several jobs from small businesses to large ones. The small business tended to value the exceptional worker. The big ones have what I call cog or slot jobs, mostly union negotiated and described. Anyone can fill them, one cog can replace another. Has it always been this way?

[Joe]

Regardless of who dies in the night, most companies will still open in the morning. If your Dad came over now as opposed to the early 60's he'd find that organized labor is pretty much kaput outside of the public sector and auto industry. Everyone's job description these days includes 'duties assigned by supervisor.' Your Dad and his employer sounded like honorable men - not too many of those left either.

[Backbeach Jake]

A lot of the old playground "change the rules as you go" with no consideration that your guys have to eat too. Word is no longer a bond , but merely a tool to use against and not with. Resentment builds as a result. Sad, really.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

Parboil your crotch with your coffee. Yayyy you're a millionaire!!

that's the same as Poached eggs i think

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