Growing opposition to NPS crow kill

[Raven]

i have to say

that i agree totally with everything George Carlin rationalizes

but the method of protecting the Plovers
has ALREADY gone to the extreme

by Violating the access Rights of the Fishermen

And taking it a Step Higher.....

By Poisoning everything that might eat an EGG

is TAKING it way beyond The extreme....
as the other animals have the right to survive(live) as well

Crows are hated by other birds because they eat eggs
and baby birds right out of the Nests in the Spring

this is natures way and NATURE knows best
it will release its own "fix" in due time.
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Bob i don't want to anger you... nor anyone
for that matter......
but! some BATTLES "are" just worth having

and if that means you have to stay away from home
or go drinking some beers with your Buddies
in the man caves for awhile...so be it... i always say...
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our own Government has poisoned its own people
in the United States for a very Long time
citing well....it was an acceptable risk factor
if a certain percentage of the population
dies from the use of this particular prescription.

their name is the federal drug administration

[saltfly]

raven;that's why I took the time to go and listen to what is being said from all fronts.Instead of spouting off at any particular representitive of the issue i studied the visual and the verbal pieces presented.1st off the whole issue personnally about the birds[plovers] is noble BUT the rest IS total B/S.This is all about REVENUE plain and simple.the best part was when a series of photographs were presented showing the crowd at Marconi Beach in July.A pair of plovers nested near the stairs to the beach.The fenced off area took up the foredune[where the nest is located] and to the waterline below the hightide mark.Each tide would take out parts of the fencing and had to be replaced after each tide.The Park finally had to station a PERSON at the fencing to prevent people from walking in the area.The people were packed like Coney I. in a small area.As the tide rose the area got smaller with finally people were actually in the foredune due to NO BEACH.The Parks problem is erosion.Just like every other town on the Cape.The beaches with parking lots[big ones and small] are losing revenue.The birds are nesting closer to the lots themselves so the rules are now effecting the tar.The orv crowd has had to suck up the no negotiation b/s for over25yrs.In the printed material handed out before the "forum" stated"We have begun consultation with the US F&w svc.,the federal agency responsible for the enforcement of the Plover Recovery Plan,on an overall approach which would allow us to impact potential nesting sites at our LIFEGUARDED BEACHES,while increasing productivity at other locations."This is not about the birds.It's about money.Now the POISON issue.The biologist who will be doing the "baiting"stated that the poison dissapates in the bird after ingestion quickly and is harmless even before the death of the ingested bird.Rendering the carcus harmless to scavengers.A number of people stated different findings of their own on this matter.Id say appx. 20 people stood at the microphone and asked questions and comments.The ones who were conspicuously absent [at the mike] were the Audobon people.They were in the audience but silent.Need I say more.A couple of MBBA [jackets] folks were in the audience also.So I'll bet they also saw through the smoke so to speak.I could go on and on.I'm waiting to see if this is going to be slid by the public in the next few weeks.

[Raven]

Thanks for that clarification.

I am all worked up about other Life issues so therefore
sometimes there is transference ....

i am desperately trying to remain in Lurker mode.

[Karl F]

Thanks Saltyfly (Bob)... excellent update, and about what I expected...

Raven I think you were responding to the other Bob's post..that is now gone...but I could be wrong... but I understand TBob's POV too!

Saltfly.. the next meeting is Wed night.. another I cannot attend..
will it be worth your time to go to that venue??, or do you, as I, feel it will just be a replay...of the famous dog and pony show, that the NPS, does so well...

[saltfly]

karl; I'd say it's a repeat of the same information in a different location.the center for Coastal Studies is a smaller venue so it could be a better place to "air" but ...I'd like to know how MBBA feels about being excluded from any plan to RELAX the closure areas on the beach.

[xyzs]

lets hope that the NPS will rethink there thinking when the numbers are down on people useing the ORV...I havent bought a seasonal pass in 5 years I now just buy weekley tired of spending $$$ and cant use it,because of the dam birds
imho the only way to fix this is let people use the park and let nature do her job... I know this will not happen all we can do is hope!!!!!!!!

[saltfly]

Originally Posted by xyzs

lets hope that the NPS will rethink there thinking when the numbers are down on people useing the ORV...I havent bought a seasonal pass in 5 years I now just buy weekley tired of spending $$$ and cant use it,because of the dam birds
imho the only way to fix this is let people use the park and let nature do her job... I know this will not happen all we can do is hope!!!!!!!!

NOT HOPE "FIGHT" this is really the loophole that THEY are creating to get some relief to the situation.Sit back and do nothing you get nothing.Your[and mine] money is just as good as anyone elses and should be treated as such.The orv crowd pays for the access and monitoring why can't be part of the situation that's being proposed?

[Slipknot]

All good points salyfly
I hope it is brought to their attention
thanks

[likwid]

Save the planet, kill yourself.

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[JohnnyD]

No surprise.

Why do we get involved? Who are we to say that one species is more important than another? For millions of years, nature has been left to its own devices with species coming and going, as only the strong survive.

Plovers aren't like Bengal Tigers or Pandas that are at risk because humans came in and Effed up their world. Plovers choose the most exposed areas to nest, lay only 1-2 eggs and are horribly territorial and particular with where they nest.

Leave them alone.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Raven

Who are they to say that a crow's life is any less valuable than a plovers life.

All life is precious and none can be replaced..... is what i told an Elderly woman who questioned me on why i would go out of my way to save the life of an English Sparrow. She said... it's just a sparrow !.

that's about as idiotic as saying:
GOTTA DIE FROM SUMTHIN

I have JUST one pesky crow and he's gonna be hanging upside down
with wings outstretched to warn the other's that i mean business
at the top of a tree -> swinging back and forth