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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by buckman

You don't even know what the tea party stands for .Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Unfortunately...I don't even think the Tea party knows what it stands for......3 different Sites and 3 different definitions of what they stand for....even Jims listing is different from what the 3 websites say...

http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/about/

http://www.teapartyexpress.org/mission

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Unfortunately...I don't even think the Tea party knows what it stands for......3 different Sites and 3 different definitions of what they stand for....even Jims listing is different from what the 3 websites say...

http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/about/

http://www.teapartyexpress.org/mission

they all say the same thing just worded differently, they are separate organizations, what the hell is so confusing?...we have 50 different states with 50 different state constitutions as well...do they not know what they stand for because they don't read the same? if you want to be a lock step standardized, centralized government controlled robot, join the democrat party...but first...tell me which of those tea party type principles from any of the sources you might disagree with

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

...but first...tell me which of those tea party type principles from any of the sources you might disagree with

You can start with grass roots, what a joke.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

they all say the same thing just worded differently,

No they don't...

The second one lists 3 core principles.

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY

CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED GOVERNMENT

FREE MARKET ECONOMICS

The 1st one throws in

Repeal Obamacare

And the third one adds

Illegal Aliens are illegal
A strong military is essential
Gun Ownership is sacred
English as our core language is required.

And then Jim threw in

Sanctity of all human life
Charity/Sacrifice for our neighbors in need

The Republican Party has their platform and so does the Democratic Party .....so don't you think on a national stage they may want to get aligned.

United we stand....

And no I wasn't confused and never said I had a problem with anything listed......I just made an observation. That they are all over the place on their mission statement(s)
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

No they don't...

The second one lists 3 core principles.

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY

CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED GOVERNMENT

FREE MARKET ECONOMICS

The 1st one throws in

Repeal Obamacare

And the third one adds

Illegal Aliens are illegal
A strong military is essential
Gun Ownership is sacred
English as our core language is required.

And then Jim threw in

Sanctity of all human life
Charity/Sacrifice for our neighbors in need

The Republican Party has their platform and so does the Democratic Party .....so don't you think on a national stage they may want to get aligned.

United we stand....

And no I wasn't confused and never said I had a problem with anything listed......I just made an observation. That they are all over the place on their mission statement(s)
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you mocked them saying they might not know what they stand for, none of those are mutually exclusive, they were established in their "local" organizations and reflect their "local" values, there is no reason why they would need to align as you seem to think, there is no national organization that I'm aware of... they support local candidates....you want them to be more like the republicans and democrats?

where is the problem in that list?

I think we mock for the sake of mocking ignoring and enabling the real culprits....note Spence's sneering and consider what he supports

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

you mocked them saying they might not know what they stand for, none of those are mutually exclusive, they were established in their "local" organizations and reflect their "local" values, there is no reason why they would need to align as you seem to think, there is no national organization that I'm aware of... they support local candidates....you want them to be more like the republicans and democrats?

That would be fine if they were local organizations....but all 3 sites I listed bill themselves as a National Organization. And they want to be taken seriously on the National stage.

Take a kid who has just hit voting age...he is trying to be responsible and do the research to find his political identity, He goes to the Republican Party website and looks at their Platform, He goes to the Democrat Website and looks at their platform....then starts to look at the Tea Party and finds dozens of websites that are all over the place on what their platform is.

Its been said before....most voters are stupid....so why make it anymore difficult to them to identify with the Tea Party.

To me its a Marketing thing.....they should fire their marketing guy cause he's terrible

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

That would be fine if they were local organizations....but all 3 sites I listed bill themselves as a National Organization. And they want to be taken seriously on the National stage.

Take a kid who has just hit voting age...he is trying to be responsible and do the research to find his political identity, He goes to the Republican Party website and looks at their Platform, He goes to the Democrat Website and looks at their platform....then starts to look at the Tea Party and finds dozens of websites that are all over the place on what their platform is.

Its been said before....most voters are stupid....so why make it anymore difficult to them to identify with the Tea Party.

To me its a Marketing thing.....they should fire their marketing guy cause he's terrible

apples and oranges, they are not political parties as the democrat and repub party, they are issue oriented organizations....they may endorse candidates of any affiliation....just like the various unions...I'm sure that there is different wording in their various charters....you are attempting to lump anyone who identifies as a tea party member or affiliate as if there is one national organization and there is not...I'd prefer that they focus locally and not become a large centrally run from Washington organization lest they become one more spoke in the broken wheel...and if a youngster feeling their way or anyone else for that matter goes to those websites and is confused regarding what they claim to stand for....then they are stupid...and need a US History refresher course

go to this site and click any state on the right.....a myriad of local organizations..

http://www.teaparty911.com/info/loca...ode_island.htm

the difference between the tea party types and the unions being that the tea party types are organizing locally and nationally to protect their freedoms and the union types organize locally and nationally to protect their place at the trough.....


this is not accurate:

" that are all over the place on what their platform is."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

I think we mock for the sake of mocking ignoring and enabling the real culprits....note Spence's sneering and consider what he supports

We mock, because it's easier to mock than it is to explain why the core values on my list are not in the best interests of the country. That's why we mock.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Unfortunately...I don't even think the Tea party knows what it stands for......3 different Sites and 3 different definitions of what they stand for....even Jims listing is different from what the 3 websites say...

http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/about/

http://www.teapartyexpress.org/mission

True. There is no one organization that heads it up. But ids there anything on these sites, that contradicts anyhting on my list? I think my list is a pretty accurate reflection of the core values, and I'd like to know what about that Zimmy finds offensive. He has been asked that a few times, and I didn't see a response...