Obama the Liar at it again...

[spence]

Republicans do appear to be focused on making it harder for minorities and poor to vote…is that right?

Perhaps more importantly, is voter fraud really a concern?

-spence

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

Republicans do appear to be focused on making it harder for minorities and poor to vote…is that right?

Perhaps more importantly, is voter fraud really a concern?

-spence

You nailed it.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You nailed it.
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Yes he nailed it with "appear". The rhetoric intentionally tries to make it "appear" that Republicans are trying to make it harder for minorities and the poor to vote. Requiring identification should not make it harder to vote. If you cannot get identification, you have a problem, legal or otherwise, that you need to fix or it will be harder for you to do a lot of things besides vote--including run-ins with the law which minorities and poor people are more prone to have.

The same applies to other progressive rhetoric such as the "war on women," which is total nonsense, and minimum wage which very briefly "helps" but is soon neutralized by the inevitable rise in prices and loss of jobs, and equal pay for women for which there is already a long-standing federal law requiring equal pay for same or similar work--the overall discrepancy is mostly a result of the types of work women generally do as opposed to the types men generally do. But the raising of the "issues," as lame and useless as they mostly are, is meant not to solve problems, but to make it "appear" that Republicans want to make it more difficult for women, minorities, and the poor. Progressive legislation has been the dominant factor in moving government and its affect on society for the past 70 years. So if women, and minorities, and the poor are still having a harder time, it is the progressive movement that has made it so, not what "appears" to be opposition against it.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You nailed it.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

He ndidn't nail anything.

Paul/Spence, see if you can answer this...

If the GOP's suggestion that requiring a picture id to vote is really aimed at keeping minorities from voting...then why isn't Obamacare's requirement that you show a picture id to pick up a prescription, actually the Democrat's racist ploy to keep minorities from getting their medicine? What's the difference?

And Paul, why is Obama linking this to passports? Has anyone, anywhere, ever, suggested that you need a passport to vote? Why can't our Dear Leader keep it intellectually honest for 2 seconds?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If the GOP's suggestion that requiring a picture id to vote is really aimed at keeping minorities from voting...then why isn't Obamacare's requirement that you show a picture id to pick up a prescription, actually the Democrat's racist ploy to keep minorities from getting their medicine? What's the difference?

Well, first off is that even true? I've never heard about it and have picked up plenty of prescriptions in the past few years...

Even if it were true (hint: it's not) they're completely different scenarios. Giving the wrong prescription to someone could kill them.

And Paul, why is Obama linking this to passports? Has anyone, anywhere, ever, suggested that you need a passport to vote? Why can't our Dear Leader keep it intellectually honest for 2 seconds?

Did you read the full transcript of what he said or is your entire opinion based off a quote lacking context?

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, first off is that even true? I've never heard about it and have picked up plenty of prescriptions in the past few years...

Even if it were true (hint: it's not) they're completely different scenarios. Giving the wrong prescription to someone could kill them.



Did you read the full transcript of what he said or is your entire opinion based off a quote lacking context?

-spence

"Well, first off is that even true?" It is true. I'm not on Obamacare thank Christ, but I have to show my id every time I go to the pharmacy. You also need an id to buy cigarettes and alcohol, I think to get a library card. Are all of those regulations rooted in racism?

"Did you read the full transcript of what he said or is your entire opinion based off a quote lacking context?"

Spence, in what context did he mean the 'passport' reference? Put that in any context you want, it's still ignorant, dishonest, race-baiting demagoguery. And why did he say those people "can't" have enough money to travel, what the hell does that mean? Why "can't" they? Because of the Koch brothers, or is it all Rupert Murdoch's fault?

I'll concede that voter fraud isn't at the top of my list of concerns. But Obama is saying that the effort to ensure voter integrity, is tantamount to racism. It's bullsh*t, and I cannot fathom that we have a President who would stoop to that, all in an effort to kiss the azz of a hate-peddling liar like Al harpton. Al Sharpton commands the attention of the President of the US? Are you kidding me? Jay Z and Al Sharpton can get an audience with our President at the snap of their finger?

"Giving the wrong prescription to someone could kill them"

That's true. It's also true that if I say my name is Jese Jackson and I vote in that name, I am depriving Jesse Jackson of his sacred right to vote. The voters should be thankful for anyone who wants to take such an obviously harmless step to ensure voter integrity. It's unbelievable that anyone could possibly interpret that as racism.

[Fly Rod]

Spence...where I live the poor have vehicles.. if not free cab sevice or city mini bus will go to their door drive them where ever

need I D to get certain prescription drugs...buy cigarettes...need ID card for food card.

Some seem to make it to the polls to vote....therefore they can make it to a government building, they all have easy access.

Your logic has no value.....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Well, first off is that even true?" It is true. I'm not on Obamacare thank Christ, but I have to show my id every time I go to the pharmacy. You also need an id to buy cigarettes and alcohol, I think to get a library card. Are all of those regulations rooted in racism?

If it's law you shouldn't have any problem showing a reference.

Perhaps your local pharmacy doesn't want to give you the wrong drugs and kill you?

Is it your civil responsibility to buy cigarettes and alcohol?

Spence, in what context did he mean the 'passport' reference? Put that in any context you want, it's still ignorant, dishonest, race-baiting demagoguery. And why did he say those people "can't" have enough money to travel, what the hell does that mean? Why "can't" they? Because of the Koch brothers, or is it all Rupert Murdoch's fault?

I don't know as I haven't seen the full transcript. Hence, my reluctance to judge.

I'll concede that voter fraud isn't at the top of my list of concerns. But Obama is saying that the effort to ensure voter integrity, is tantamount to racism. It's bullsh*t, and I cannot fathom that we have a President who would stoop to that, all in an effort to kiss the azz of a hate-peddling liar like Al harpton. Al Sharpton commands the attention of the President of the US? Are you kidding me? Jay Z and Al Sharpton can get an audience with our President at the snap of their finger?

No, Obama is saying that the effort to ensure voter integrity is both unnecessary and disproportionally impacts minorities and the poor. Certainly there's politics behind it, the GOP is trying to hurt voters that historically support their opponents and the Democrats are working to counter it.

But ultimately...are there people who legitimately don't hold an official government ID, are they breaking any laws in doing so, and do they have a right to vote?

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

But ultimately...are there people who legitimately don't hold an official government ID,

-spence

name one......

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

If it's law you shouldn't have any problem showing a reference.

Perhaps your local pharmacy doesn't want to give you the wrong drugs and kill you?

Is it your civil responsibility to buy cigarettes and alcohol?


I don't know as I haven't seen the full transcript. Hence, my reluctance to judge.


No, Obama is saying that the effort to ensure voter integrity is both unnecessary and disproportionally impacts minorities and the poor. Certainly there's politics behind it, the GOP is trying to hurt voters that historically support their opponents and the Democrats are working to counter it.

But ultimately...are there people who legitimately don't hold an official government ID, are they breaking any laws in doing so, and do they have a right to vote?

-spence

"I don't know as I haven't seen the full transcript. Hence, my reluctance to judge."

Your reluctance to judge comes from the fact that you are head-over-heals in love with the guy.

"are there people who legitimately don't hold an official government ID, are they breaking any laws in doing so, and do they have a right to vote?"

Can't cash a check without an id, can't get a library card...why not? If those without an id aren't breaking the law, why can't they do those things?

The answer, which is obvious to anyone over the age of 5 (unless they are blinded by ideology) is that sometimes it is prudent to make sure you know who you are dealing with. Ensuring voter integrity is necessarily a good thing. Why are you opposed to it? I agree fraud isn't a huge problem, by why not make it less of a problem? What is the harm? Are there large numbers of people out there, for whom getting an id is difficult?

And why does Obama give the time of day to a horse's ass like Sharpton? Why is Obama at his beck and call? There's the politics. Obama knows full well that no one has ever suggested using passports, but he knows that demonizing conservatives plays well to Sharpton's sheep. So Obama says things that he knows are untrue, to pander to that audience. Cowardly, and beneath the dignity of the office, and not something Bush was in the habit of doing.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

the GOP is trying to hurt voters that historically support their opponents and the Democrats are working to counter it

-spence

which "GOP" in Rhode Island is perpetrating this horrible crime?

"Rhode Island passed a voter ID law in 2011, and it is the only state with a Democratic-controlled legislature to do so."

http://sos.ri.gov/elections/voterid/

"Poll workers will ask you to show a current and valid photo ID when you vote at your polling place. Voter ID strengthens the public’s faith in the integrity of our elections by enabling poll workers to match a voter’s face to the name they give at the polls."(unless the voter ID legislation is suggested by the "GOP" , in which case it becomes racist, bigoted and intended to harm the poor, elderly, minorities and others who traditionally vote democrat)

How to Obtain a Free Voter ID

You will not need a Voter ID card if you already have a valid and current Photo ID. If you need a Voter ID, we will provide you with a free one. You must provide one of these proofs of identity:

Employee ID card;
ID card provided by a commercial establishment;
Credit or debit card;
Military ID card;
Student ID card;
Health club ID card;
Insurance plan ID card;
Public housing ID card;
If you don’t have one of those proofs of identity, you must bring one of the following documents. It must include your name and be dated since November 6, 2012, unless the document is intended to be of a permanent nature such as a pardon or discharge:
Utility bill;
Bank statement;
Government paycheck;
Document issued by a government agency;
Official elections document issued by a government agency, dated for the election in which the registered voter is providing it as proof of identity;
Voter notification issued by a governmental agency;
Public housing ID card issued by a governmental agency;
Lease or rental statement or agreement issued by a governmental agency;
Student ID card issued by a governmental institution/agency or non-governmental institution/agency;
Tuition statement or bill issued by a governmental agency;
Insurance plan card or drug discount card issued by a government agency;
Discharge certificates, pardons, or other official documents issued to the registered voter by a governmental agency in connection with the resolution of a criminal case, indictment, sentence or other matter;
Public transit authority senior citizen and disabled discount ID card issued by a governmental agency;
ID documents issued by governmental disability agencies;
ID documents issued by homeless shelters and other temporary or transitional facilities;
Drug prescription issued by a government doctor or other governmental health care provider;
Property tax statement issued by a governmental agency;
Vehicle registration issued by a governmental agency; or
Vehicle certificate of ownership issued by a governmental agency