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Old 04-12-2014, 06:42 PM   #1
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I didn't say anything about Ids. cons. continue to shorten voting hours bc they know the poor have difficulty getting to the polls during normal voting hours. You have cons. Saying they shorten the hours for exactly that reason. I guess spence shouldn't have used the word "appear" since that is exactly the reason cons, have changed the voting rules, My grandmother never had an id.
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In your grandmother's day they probably didn't have expanded voting hours and maybe not even absentee ballots. If not in her day, in somebody else's day. And if we go back far enough, most people knew most everybody else in their voting community. And life was probably more simple to the point of not needing id. There has always been some voter fraud. Various documented cases may make it more prevalent now. I may be old enough to be your grand father, I don't know how old you are, but I remember when election day was the day to vote. I don't know how it came to be that it was more difficult for the poor than the not poor to vote because of that. If you had a job, many employers gave a couple of hours off either in the morning or at the end of the shift to vote. And if you didn't have a job, you actually had more time to vote. And if transportation was a problem for one day, how was it not a problem for another day. And if there is a problem which makes it difficult to get to the polls either on a given day or at all, absentee ballot is available. And if you're in line before polls close, you will be allowed to vote. Which cons say that voting time should be shortened in order to prevent the poor from voting? And the voting rules have been changed before. That's not something new.
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Old 04-12-2014, 08:46 PM   #2
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I may be old enough to be your grand father, I don't know how old you are, but I remember when election day was the day to vote. I don't know how it came to be that it was more difficult for the poor than the not poor to vote because of that. If you had a job, many employers gave a couple of hours off either in the morning or at the end of the shift to vote. And if you didn't have a job, you actually had more time to vote. And if transportation was a problem for one day, how was it not a problem for another day. And if there is a problem which makes it difficult to get to the polls either on a given day or at all, absentee ballot is available. And if you're in line before polls close, you will be allowed to vote. Which cons say that voting time should be shortened in order to prevent the poor from voting? And the voting rules have been changed before. That's not something new.
I doubt your old enough to be my Grandfather, but if my memory serves me right I registered to vote in 1960 when I was 21. In order to vote you had to take your birth certificate to the County Board of Elections to prove your age (21 at that time) and prove you were a US citizen. You were then issued a voting card. Polls were open from 7 am to 9 pm and people knowing it was their Right and responsibility made it their Patriotic Duty to get there.
In 74 the voting age was dropped to 18 so that our Armed Services, who were willing to give up their lives for their country had the right to vote also.

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Old 04-12-2014, 09:18 PM   #3
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I doubt your old enough to be my Grandfather, but if my memory serves me right I registered to vote in 1960 when I was 21. In order to vote you had to take your birth certificate to the County Board of Elections to prove your age (21 at that time) and prove you were a US citizen. You were then issued a voting card. Polls were open from 7 am to 9 pm and people knowing it was their Right and responsibility made it their Patriotic Duty to get there.
In 74 the voting age was dropped to 18 so that our Armed Services, who were willing to give up their lives for their country had the right to vote also.
Your correct. It used to be "harder" to vote than it is now, or will be by any "Con" shortening of voting hours. And it was viewed as a right, responsibility, and patriotic duty, rather than a catered-to entitlement made to order for your convenience. All the good, important things in our lives require effort, most of them far more effort than it takes to vote, or took to vote when it was even more "difficult." Being one of our most important rights and duties, it actually should require enough effort to make abuse of the right more difficult. The more lax the requirements to vote, or the more time than necessary to vote, the more ease in falsifying the process. That we accept the need of ID, time restrictions, difficulty in getting to and performing work and pleasure, and so forth, yet consider it too burdensome for voting is amazing. I suppose if its too burdensome to pay on your own for contraceptives . . . yeah . . . I can see the "logic" of having everything else, including voting, made easier. Besides, it doesn't seem to make an impact on the direction the country is heading anyway. What the Hell, let's make it completely open. Voting should be allowed every day up until the election, by computer if necessary. No identification or citizenship should be required.
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