Obama the Liar at it again...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Well, first off is that even true?" It is true. I'm not on Obamacare thank Christ, but I have to show my id every time I go to the pharmacy. You also need an id to buy cigarettes and alcohol, I think to get a library card. Are all of those regulations rooted in racism?

If it's law you shouldn't have any problem showing a reference.

Perhaps your local pharmacy doesn't want to give you the wrong drugs and kill you?

Is it your civil responsibility to buy cigarettes and alcohol?

Spence, in what context did he mean the 'passport' reference? Put that in any context you want, it's still ignorant, dishonest, race-baiting demagoguery. And why did he say those people "can't" have enough money to travel, what the hell does that mean? Why "can't" they? Because of the Koch brothers, or is it all Rupert Murdoch's fault?

I don't know as I haven't seen the full transcript. Hence, my reluctance to judge.

I'll concede that voter fraud isn't at the top of my list of concerns. But Obama is saying that the effort to ensure voter integrity, is tantamount to racism. It's bullsh*t, and I cannot fathom that we have a President who would stoop to that, all in an effort to kiss the azz of a hate-peddling liar like Al harpton. Al Sharpton commands the attention of the President of the US? Are you kidding me? Jay Z and Al Sharpton can get an audience with our President at the snap of their finger?

No, Obama is saying that the effort to ensure voter integrity is both unnecessary and disproportionally impacts minorities and the poor. Certainly there's politics behind it, the GOP is trying to hurt voters that historically support their opponents and the Democrats are working to counter it.

But ultimately...are there people who legitimately don't hold an official government ID, are they breaking any laws in doing so, and do they have a right to vote?

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

But ultimately...are there people who legitimately don't hold an official government ID,

-spence

name one......

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

name one......

My Mother.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

My Mother.

-spence

don't believe you

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

don't believe you

Did you feel like jumping the shark or did it just come to you?

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Did you feel like jumping the shark or did it just come to you?

-spence

stupid

[justplugit]

Hmm, I wonder how all those check cashing stores ID their customers?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Hmm, I wonder how all those check cashing stores ID their customers?

the argument is stupid, it's hardly an imposition to show an id, we all do it regularly, it's hard to navigate daily life without one...but that seems to be where we are at ...it just helps fan the flames

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

My Mother.

-spence

I don't want to harp on this but your mother doesn't have any form of identification ? It is pretty hard to believe . Is she poor ?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I don't want to harp on this but your mother doesn't have any form of identification ? It is pretty hard to believe . Is she poor ?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

I actually called her to confirm before I posted earlier. Shes does today, but didn't have *any* form of government ID for over 14 years due to health reasons. She only got an ID recently because of legal issues surrounding her mother's estate.

I'm pretty sure she's voted every election cycle regardless via absentee ballot.

So it's not that hard to believe, and no, she isn't even poor. Doubt she voted for Obama either...

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I actually called her to confirm before I posted earlier. Shes does today, but didn't have *any* form of government ID for over 14 years due to health reasons. She only got an ID recently because of legal issues surrounding her mother's estate.

I'm pretty sure she's voted every election cycle regardless via absentee ballot.

So it's not that hard to believe, and no, she isn't even poor. Doubt she voted for Obama either...

-spence

sorry, it's very hard to believe..and it's hardly an argument against requiring an id to vote..sounds like she was able to get one when she needed to

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

sorry, it's very hard to believe..and it's hardly an argument against requiring an id to vote..sounds like she was able to get one when she needed to

Yes, I'm lying about my mother...sweet jesus.

The point is you said "name one" and I did...just be a man and admit when you're wrong.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I She only got an ID recently because of legal issues surrounding her mother's estate.


-spence

OK. She didn't have an id, and then the government told her that she needed one for probate reasons. What did she do? Did she (a) simply go get an id, or (b) tell Al Sharpton that the probate courts are racist and only require an id to deny poor black people the right to inherit their estates?

You are proving my point exactly Spence - that sometimes you need to know exactly who you are dealing with, and that requiring a photo id in those situations is clearly not an undue burden.

Unbelievable...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You are proving my point exactly Spence - that sometimes you need to know exactly who you are dealing with, and that requiring a photo id in those situations is clearly not an undue burden.

That would assume the situation was ripe for fraud. The evidence doesn't appear to prove that's the case.

What you're saying is that you want legislation that would expand the regulatory power of government in a manner not congruent with the Costitution.

According to Detbuch's other thread you're supporting liberal policy.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

If it's law you shouldn't have any problem showing a reference.

Perhaps your local pharmacy doesn't want to give you the wrong drugs and kill you?

Is it your civil responsibility to buy cigarettes and alcohol?


I don't know as I haven't seen the full transcript. Hence, my reluctance to judge.


No, Obama is saying that the effort to ensure voter integrity is both unnecessary and disproportionally impacts minorities and the poor. Certainly there's politics behind it, the GOP is trying to hurt voters that historically support their opponents and the Democrats are working to counter it.

But ultimately...are there people who legitimately don't hold an official government ID, are they breaking any laws in doing so, and do they have a right to vote?

-spence

"I don't know as I haven't seen the full transcript. Hence, my reluctance to judge."

Your reluctance to judge comes from the fact that you are head-over-heals in love with the guy.

"are there people who legitimately don't hold an official government ID, are they breaking any laws in doing so, and do they have a right to vote?"

Can't cash a check without an id, can't get a library card...why not? If those without an id aren't breaking the law, why can't they do those things?

The answer, which is obvious to anyone over the age of 5 (unless they are blinded by ideology) is that sometimes it is prudent to make sure you know who you are dealing with. Ensuring voter integrity is necessarily a good thing. Why are you opposed to it? I agree fraud isn't a huge problem, by why not make it less of a problem? What is the harm? Are there large numbers of people out there, for whom getting an id is difficult?

And why does Obama give the time of day to a horse's ass like Sharpton? Why is Obama at his beck and call? There's the politics. Obama knows full well that no one has ever suggested using passports, but he knows that demonizing conservatives plays well to Sharpton's sheep. So Obama says things that he knows are untrue, to pander to that audience. Cowardly, and beneath the dignity of the office, and not something Bush was in the habit of doing.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

the GOP is trying to hurt voters that historically support their opponents and the Democrats are working to counter it

-spence

which "GOP" in Rhode Island is perpetrating this horrible crime?

"Rhode Island passed a voter ID law in 2011, and it is the only state with a Democratic-controlled legislature to do so."

http://sos.ri.gov/elections/voterid/

"Poll workers will ask you to show a current and valid photo ID when you vote at your polling place. Voter ID strengthens the public’s faith in the integrity of our elections by enabling poll workers to match a voter’s face to the name they give at the polls."(unless the voter ID legislation is suggested by the "GOP" , in which case it becomes racist, bigoted and intended to harm the poor, elderly, minorities and others who traditionally vote democrat)

How to Obtain a Free Voter ID

You will not need a Voter ID card if you already have a valid and current Photo ID. If you need a Voter ID, we will provide you with a free one. You must provide one of these proofs of identity:

Employee ID card;
ID card provided by a commercial establishment;
Credit or debit card;
Military ID card;
Student ID card;
Health club ID card;
Insurance plan ID card;
Public housing ID card;
If you don’t have one of those proofs of identity, you must bring one of the following documents. It must include your name and be dated since November 6, 2012, unless the document is intended to be of a permanent nature such as a pardon or discharge:
Utility bill;
Bank statement;
Government paycheck;
Document issued by a government agency;
Official elections document issued by a government agency, dated for the election in which the registered voter is providing it as proof of identity;
Voter notification issued by a governmental agency;
Public housing ID card issued by a governmental agency;
Lease or rental statement or agreement issued by a governmental agency;
Student ID card issued by a governmental institution/agency or non-governmental institution/agency;
Tuition statement or bill issued by a governmental agency;
Insurance plan card or drug discount card issued by a government agency;
Discharge certificates, pardons, or other official documents issued to the registered voter by a governmental agency in connection with the resolution of a criminal case, indictment, sentence or other matter;
Public transit authority senior citizen and disabled discount ID card issued by a governmental agency;
ID documents issued by governmental disability agencies;
ID documents issued by homeless shelters and other temporary or transitional facilities;
Drug prescription issued by a government doctor or other governmental health care provider;
Property tax statement issued by a governmental agency;
Vehicle registration issued by a governmental agency; or
Vehicle certificate of ownership issued by a governmental agency