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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

No, not true Spence and you know it. He claims credit for removing all troops from Iraq and he bragged about it . He also brags about a much improved economy, a much improved health care system, a much improved perspective of how the world sees us.
He has a lower credibility rating and approval rating than any president since Jimmy Carter. Actually I believe he's lower than Jimmy Carter.
Most Americans excluding yourself see him for who he is and what he has done .
Spin the crap all you want . You're wrong in every case.
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He took credit for ending the war which he did. Sorry if that's considered "bragging" but it's what politicians do.

It must be hard when you have a massive propaganda machine trying to destroy you to think you can actually believe you can take credit for something the majority of Americans actually wanted.

Shame on him...

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

He took credit for ending the war which he did. Sorry if that's considered "bragging" but it's what politicians do.

Big difference between ending a war through vicyory and leaving a war.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Big difference between ending a war through vicyory and leaving a war.

It is impossible to achieve victory in a war that is non conventional. The last clean victory we had was WW2 IMHO. Topple the goverment and it's leader and you win doesn't cut it anymore.
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[afterhours]

#8 is in the future.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Nebe

It is impossible to achieve victory in a war that is non conventional. The last clean victory we had was WW2 IMHO. Topple the goverment and it's leader and you win doesn't cut it anymore.
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Agree, and that is why Bush announced this was a "war on terror" and would have to be fought differently than a conventional war. Therefore the emphasis on intelligence and emphasis on special forces.
However, now we have a Commander in Chief that has downplayed the threat , won't call it a war on terror, would rather negotiate with savages if he could, doesn't have a strategy that our military would approve of and announces to the terrorists what he will and will not do. Sounds like a plan for victory. Every plan he has is based on politics.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Agree, and that is why Bush announced this was a "war on terror" and would have to be fought differently than a conventional war

And then got involved in a ground war (Iraq) unrelated to that......

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

And then got involved in a ground war (Iraq) unrelated to that......

Well . . . sort of. The "ground war" was ultimately not the same as the old "conventional war" that Nebe was referring to. Not sure (as Spence would say) that there is some static unchanging way of war. Apparently, we can't even say something as simple as "war is war." It seems, according to some administrations, that war is not necessarily war.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

And then got involved in a ground war (Iraq) unrelated to that......

Yes, and at the same time building intelligence , special forces and Home Land Security.
He left office with Iraq being in pretty good shape until Obama came in only
giving 1/2 the troops needed to close it down announcing when we would withdraw as isis sat on the side line building a "JV TEAM".
Now he announces to isis what he will do and NOT do. What a Commander in Chief.

[scottw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by justplugit View Post
Agree, and that is why Bush announced this was a "war on terror" and would have to be fought differently than a conventional war

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

And then got involved in a ground war (Iraq) unrelated to that......

that's funny...Iraq topped a very short list of countries consider State Sponsors of TERRORISM beginning in 1979...

they were subsequently removed from that list : Following the invasion, US sanctions applicable to state sponsors of terrorism against Iraq were suspended on 7 May 2003 and President Bush announced the removal of Iraq from the list on 25 September 2004.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_S...s_of_Terrorism

but "unrelated" to the "War on Terror"

[justplugit]

If only O had seen reality and continued what Bush started to prepare
for "the war on terror " after having lost 6 valuable years of serious preparation we may have been totally prepared, or maybe not even having to face the more serious problems we have now.