Banning guns for those on the terror watchlist

[Sea Dangles]

So you put up an example of an area where the constitution is failing us and then find a way to make it Obamas fault. I agree he is an ass but what does this example prove other than the fact we live under the umbrella of a double edge sword? To what extent will you go to in order to demonstrate your contempt for Obama and making everything his fault?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

So you put up an example of an area where the constitution is failing us and then find a way to make it Obamas fault. I agree he is an ass but what does this example prove other than the fact we live under the umbrella of a double edge sword? To what extent will you go to in order to demonstrate your contempt for Obama and making everything his fault?
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I am not blaming Obama for the existence of the Bill Of Rights. I am blaming him, justifiably, because he thinks he can ignore the Bill Of Rights when it's politicaly expedient for him to do so.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

So you put up an example of an area where the constitution is failing us and then find a way to make it Obamas fault.
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It was not an example of the Constitution failing us, it is another of the many examples of Obama failing the Constitution.

The due process clause of the Constitution protects you. It requires government to have the proper, solid, evidence required to deny you your constitutional rights. Being on a no-fly list is not solid evidence of criminality. It is a suspicion of potential criminality. If we allow the government to deny us our constitutional rights on the basis of its suspicions, then all of us have no guarantee against government destroying our lives whenever it concocts a suspicion.

And that would not be a matter of the Constitution failing us. It would be a matter of us failing to defend and protect the Constitution. Tyrants of all types are very capable of protecting its servants from various boogeymen. But the servants have no protection against their master.

If we prefer to be dependent servants rather than sovereign citizens, we deserve that one-way security.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by detbuch

It was not an example of the Constitution failing us, it is another of the many examples of Obama failing the Constitution.

The due process clause of the Constitution protects you. It requires government to have the proper, solid, evidence required to deny you your constitutional rights. Being on a no-fly list is not solid evidence of criminality. It is a suspicion of potential criminality. If we allow the government to deny us our constitutional rights on the basis of its suspicions, then all of us have no guarantee against government destroying our lives whenever it concocts a suspicion.

And that would not be a matter of the Constitution failing us. It would be a matter of us failing to defend and protect the Constitution. Tyrants of all types are very capable of protecting its servants from various boogeymen. But the servants have no protection against their master.

If we prefer to be dependent servants rather than sovereign citizens, we deserve that one-way security.

Exactly
thank you for wording it so that even Spence can understand, and then he will realize he is in that last category of dependent servants.

[Slipknot]

I found out about this on Dec. 3rd, it is not an all of a sudden thing. It is a knee jerk reaction, take advantage of a crisis way of forcing gun control down our throats and it will not be stood for many anyone with half a brain.


MA Legislators Want To Eliminate Due Process, Restrict Rights.
December 3, 2015

GOAL has learned that Representative Lori A. Ehrlich has filed legislation which would create a list of Americans citizens who, should they appear on it, would be stripped of rights with no due process.

This legislation is modeled after federal legislation that has many flaws.

There is zero statutory criteria for inclusion on the list.
The list would be run by unelected officials with no oversight and no accountability.
Should your name wind up on the list you will be virtually powerless to find out why you are on it, or to have it removed.
The federal model does not require the government to tell you why you are on the list.
There is no due process, no right to a trial, nothing, you can wind up on this list and lose your rights.
Legislation of this nature goes directly against the Constitution and cannot be supported.

Please call your state representative and senator today, ask them not to support HD4331 "An Act relative to denying firearms and explosives to suspected terrorists"

No On HD4331!