Banning guns for those on the terror watchlist

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Is the Second Amendment the only right that's infringed by the no fly list? If not why all the outrage now?

You're not helping your case .
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

You're not helping your case .
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What's my case?

I can see the Constitutional implications, but the discussion should be about how to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists and not just the typical shut the debate down defense.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

What's my case?

I can see the Constitutional implications, but the discussion should be about how to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists and not just the typical shut the debate down defense.

You could just not let them in the country hell they are on the no-fly list after all
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

the discussion should be about how to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists and not just the typical shut the debate down defense.

Let's have that discussion. But we cannot throw out the Constitution to make it happen. We can modify the Constitution to fit the times. We cannot ignore what's in there.

[tysdad115]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

We can modify the Constitution to fit the times.

Absolutely not. This is what they want. Haven't you noticed the words "semi automatic" being used every where to describe any type of firearm. They want them gone.. Do not give them an inch. They are just trying to scare the sheep with this BS talk.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by tysdad115

Absolutely not. This is what they want. Haven't you noticed the words "semi automatic" being used every where to describe any type of firearm. They want them gone.. Do not give them an inch. They are just trying to scare the sheep with this BS talk.
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What I meant was, there is a mechanism to amend (change) the Constitution. If enough people agree that people on the no-fly list can't get guns, then we can amend the second amendment to reflect that, and in that case what Obama is proposing wouldn't violate the Constitution. But we have to abide by what the Constitution says.

"They are just trying to scare the sheep with this BS talk."

I mostly agree.

In terms of non-terrorism gun violence, the conversation needs to be had, and we need to discuss (1) common sense gun laws that don't violate the 2nd amendment, (2) talking about the violence we bombard our kids with in movies and video games, and (3) looking at government policies which seem to incentivize the kinds of behavior that lead some to violence. What I mean by this is, everyone in South Dakota has a gun, yet there is almost zero gun violence. We need government programs that encourage people in Chicago, to behave more like people in South Dakota. THAT'S how you improve our gun violence problem. We have a problem. I don't think it's the existence of guns, I think it's an erosion of our moral compass. If Sea Dangles had a machine gun in his house, I would still let my kids trick-or-treat there, because I know he wouldn't hurt them. It's not the gun. It's our moral decay.