Trump launches his own 'propaganda' network

[Nebe]

Life has been a lot more relaxed, productive and generally better since I stopped thinking about the clown in chief. I highly recommend evicting the guy who's living rent free in so many people's heads.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Life has been a lot more relaxed, productive and generally better since I stopped thinking about the clown in chief. I highly recommend evicting the guy who's living rent free in so many people's heads.
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Bernie Sanders & Wife Under FBI Investigation For Bank Fraud

[PaulS]

I hope we don't go to war.

Any line in the sand, regardless by whom is stupid.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Any line in the sand, regardless by whom is stupid.

yeah...just ask Assad


when exactly did Trump say this?....Wayne asked and you implied...Obama actually had a "line'...then not so much...

Obama said in 2012 that his red line with the Assad regime would be the use of chemical weapons. Later that year, Assad's forces killed nearly 1,500 people in a chemical-weapons attack.

But then Obama got cold feet ...

you guys shouldn't put words in Trump's mouth...he has enough trouble without you divining secret messages from his ramblings

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

when exactly did Trump say this?....Wayne asked and you impliedno, I said "Trump implied" ...Obama actually had a "line'...then not so much...

Don't have to put words in anyone's mouth.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before," he said.

So that actually is a "line".

That same day NK threatened again, thus crossing it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

no, I said "Trump implied"

(I)Don't have to put words in anyone's mouth.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before," he said.

So that actually is a "line". he didn't say line...Obama said "line"

That same day NK threatened again, thus crossing it.

physical threats or verbal threats?...oh that's right...it's "words" that upset the left more.....even promoting violence and issuing beatings over language they find offensive...soooo..maybe they should applaud Trump for being so aggressive toward the N Korean violent sounding "hate speech" ( are they protected under the first amendment)?

if you imply from what you decide someone else has implied you are essentially putting words in their mouth

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

physical threats or verbal threats?...oh that's right...it's "words" that upset the left more.....even promoting violence and issuing beatings over language they find offensive...soooo..maybe they should applaud Trump for being so aggressive toward the N Korean violent sounding "hate speech" ( are they protected under the first amendment)?

if you imply from what you decide someone else has implied you are essentially putting words in their mouth

You're trying to make a destinction bt Obama saying the word "line" and Trump not using the actual word as if there is a difference. You're smarter than that.

No one is putting words in his mouth, those are his actual words. He said NK better not make any more threats - (which they did a few hours later) bc they would be be met with fury and fire. (actually the speach writers are putting words in his mouth- and when he strays from those speaches is when he gets in trouble).

[detbuch]

What did the past Presidents believe was the way to deal with NK's program to make nukes? You know . . . when it actually did not have them?

What did all the military, political, media, and academic "experts" believe was a way to deal with the matter?

What did any President's with their brilliant advisors do to stop NK?

So now, NK has what no previous administration was able to prevent, even with all their wisdom and expertise. What do all the brilliant critics who were not able to devise a way to stop what they claimed to know how to stop but never did, what do all the brilliant critics have to contribute other than criticize Trump for saying naughty words?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What did the past Presidents believe was the way to deal with NK's program to make nukes?

Obama yawned....tiny country can't threaten us...pfffft...

Bush included them in the "axis of evil"

I think Albright went there and gave the Norks a tongue bath...which is an awful visual....

[detbuch]

Oh . . . that's right . . . If you tell someone who constantly threatens to kill you that you will kill him if he tries, then he will really kill you. That is, if you tell him that with mean threatening words. Probably, if you told him nicely that you would kill him if he tried to kill you, if you told him nicely, not in any threatening way, then he would not actually kill you, but would just keep on saying he would. The best way, obviously, is to keep being nice to him so that he will not actually try to kill you.

It's all so obvious.

[PaulS]

No difference bc the word wasn't mentioned. Just like a ban is still a ban even if the word isn't in the order.

As I said earlier - any line is stupid.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

No difference bc the word wasn't mentioned. Just like a ban is still a ban even if the word isn't in the order.

As I said earlier - any line is stupid.

now you are being ridiculous

[PaulS]

I was searching on line for any criticism of Putin by Pres. Trump. Tough to find anything of substance.

[Cool Beans]

Nothing is going to happen.... North Korea is now a nuclear power. As long as NK doesn't attack US or Allies, we will not do anything.

China just came out today to help cement this fact, by stating if North korea starts anything, China will remain neutral. if SK and US try to strike first China pledged to stop us.

Kim Jung Un just got invited to sit at the adults table for Thanksgiving. no more little kids table.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08...rea-first.html

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I was searching on line for any criticism of Putin by Pres. Trump. Tough to find anything of substance.

There has been little, sadly. But Squirrel!

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

Nothing is going to happen.... North Korea is now a nuclear power. As long as NK doesn't attack US or Allies, we will not do anything.

China just came out today to help cement this fact, by stating if North korea starts anything, China will remain neutral. if SK and US try to strike first China pledged to stop us.

Kim Jung Un just got invited to sit at the adults table for Thanksgiving. no more little kids table.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08...rea-first.html

Snark: Are they willing to trade Beijing and Shanghai for Pyongyang and Wosan?


Yet another lousy wrinkle in a lousy circumstance in a lousy situation with lousy options. I am truly shocked and surprised that the great Obama could not resolve this before, but then Rice and Rhodes would not be able to twitterrant on how well they left everything for the next admin.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Yet another lousy wrinkle in a lousy circumstance in a lousy situation with lousy options. I am truly shocked and surprised that the great Obama OR BUSH, OR CLINTON could not resolve this before,

Give the Atlantic article I posted a read John; the biggest complexity is NK's non-nuke arms and short range nuke potential... If we strike them they will get a lot of fire away into SK and maybe Japan. The Kim's are demagogues of the worst kind, but I don't think he is a martyr.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Give the Atlantic article I posted a read John; the biggest complexity is NK's non-nuke arms and short range nuke potential... If we strike them they will get a lot of fire away into SK and maybe Japan. The Kim's are demagogues of the worst kind, but I don't think he is a martyr.

Read the article yesterday, as well as several others . Ohhh, and I appreciate the Bush or Clinton as well. But you rarely hear the media mention the full context of this. It is all Trump's fault.

Not defending Trump

[RIROCKHOUND]

I figured you had, you are always well versed on this stuff. No, not all trumps fault, this is build up since post-Korean war, but it could culminate with his bluster and bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. I much prefer Mattis and Kelley working on this while DJT is playing golf and tweeting about McConnell or Hillary.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I figured you had, you are always well versed on this stuff. No, not all trumps fault, this is build up since post-Korean war, but it could culminate with his bluster and bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. I much prefer Mattis and Kelley working on this while DJT is playing golf and tweeting about McConnell or Hillary.

I do too. BTW - I blame all of them but the real development and increase in severity has occurred on O's watch. Poor engagement by Bush was eclipsed by "Strategic Patience" and the options have reduced.

From a casualty point of view, 200k-500k dead 5 years ago, versus , 500k-2mil dead now to 5-20 million dead in ten years.

I really hope there is a diplo solution but I do not think that is possible.

[wdmso]

Now that Guam is in the News maybe we can get them the ability to vote since they are now at the tip of the spear



Citizens of Guam may not vote in general elections for President.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Now that Guam is in the News maybe we can get them the ability to vote since they are now at the tip of the spear



Citizens of Guam may not vote in general elections for President.

They should just feel lucky their island didn't tip over
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

They should just feel lucky their island didn't tip over
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ha..ha...ha...was that Maxine Waters?... or was she the one that wanted them to move the camera so she could see where the astronauts planted the flag on Jupiter


I think his inference was that Hillary would have won Guam(according to a straw poll or something) and that probably would have swung things in her favor?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I do too. BTW - I blame all of them but the real development and increase in severity has occurred on O's watch. Poor engagement by Bush was eclipsed by "Strategic Patience" and the options have reduced.

From a casualty point of view, 200k-500k dead 5 years ago, versus , 500k-2mil dead now to 5-20 million dead in ten years.

I really hope there is a diplo solution but I do not think that is possible.

Isolation.
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[scottw]

diplomatic secret weapon