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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

and in that last statement ... is exactly wrong with the New Trump GOP and conservatives in general

A moral compass that only works when it's convenient..

get over yourself. why is bill clinton ( impeached and disbarred) so popular with democrats? because he’s such a swell guy?

sorry, the party worships at the feet of the clintons doesn’t get to lecture me about prioritizing virtue. can’t have it both ways. i votes for clinton, and
i claim he was a good potus. scumbag of a
man but a good president. i say the same about trump. go ahead tell me why the dems can worship clinton and say they care about morals.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

get over yourself. why is bill clinton ( impeached and disbarred) so popular with democrats? because he’s such a swell guy?

sorry, the party worships at the feet of the clintons doesn’t get to lecture me about prioritizing virtue. can’t have it both ways. i votes for clinton, and
i claim he was a good potus. scumbag of a
man but a good president. i say the same about trump. go ahead tell me why the dems can worship clinton and say they care about morals.
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You miss the point again Clinton was held responsible for his actions (lying) Trumps and GOP supporters have no intentions of holding Trump accountable
As you said as long as you like the results .... and of couse you see trump's behavior and Clinton behavior as some how equal .?.. not sure how . But your good at it

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You miss the point again Clinton was held responsible for his actions (lying) Trumps and GOP supporters have no intentions of holding Trump accountable

just sayin'....I suspect if you come up with an impeachable charge...you will have some republicans happy to vote to impeach...we'll see

Five Democrat House members (Virgil Goode of Virginia, Ralph Hall of Texas, Paul McHale of Pennsylvania, Charles Stenholm of Texas and Gene Taylor of Mississippi) voted in favor of three of the four articles of impeachment, but only Taylor voted for the abuse of power charge.

A two-thirds vote (67 senators) was required to remove Clinton from office. 50 senators voted to remove Clinton on the obstruction of justice charge and 45 voted to remove him on the perjury charge; no member of his own Democratic Party voted guilty on either charge.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

no member of his own Democratic Party voted guilty on either charge.

WDMSO, what say you to that?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

WDMSO, what say you to that?
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I say 10 republican also voted not guilty with the democrats ... so seems the burden of proof was not met and he was Acquitted by the Senate...


now ask yourself with the house in 2019 having a 235 to 199 advantage to send articles of impeachment to the senate

and the Republicans having a 53\ 45 \2 independant seat advantage and the need A two-thirds vote (67 senators) to convict ...

if articles of impeachment are presented.. do the math 14 republicans would need to jump ship to convict


Clinton gets impeched for liying about getting a blow job from a women

and Trump gets impeached for trying to give russia a blow job and lying about and his senate votes not guilty .... such irony

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I say 10 republican also voted not guilty with the democrats ... so seems the burden of proof was not met and he was Acquitted by the Senate...


now ask yourself with the house in 2019 having a 235 to 199 advantage to send articles of impeachment to the senate

and the Republicans having a 53\ 45 \2 independant seat advantage and the need A two-thirds vote (67 senators) to convict ...

if articles of impeachment are presented.. do the math 14 republicans would need to jump ship to convict


Clinton gets impeched for liying about getting a blow job from a women

and Trump gets impeached for trying to give russia a blow job and lying about and his senate votes not guilty .... such irony

Clinton got impeached for lying under oath. Do we know that Trump lied under oath?

There is an investigation of Trumps connection with Russia, and if possible campaign finance violations. no charges yet, so it seems like you think you know more than the investigators who haven’t indicted him (yet).

Trump is a snake. As of right now, we don’t know if he committed an impeachable offense. If he did, i want him impeached. You want him impeached regardless of whether or not he committed an impeachable offense, because you don’t like him. I don’t like him either, but I like following the rules.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You miss the point again Clinton was held responsible for his actions (lying) Trumps and GOP supporters have no intentions of holding Trump accountable
As you said as long as you like the results .... and of couse you see trump's behavior and Clinton behavior as some how equal .?.. not sure how . But your good at it

no no, you missed
your own point. your post didn’t say trump should be held accountable ( which i agree with). you were criticizing people who defend trump. but your side still worships clinton. if it’s ok for your sidento overlook moral lapses, why is it wrong for my side to do so?

I said i care more about results style, and you said “that’s whats wrong with the new GOP.”. that not nearly the same thing as saying “Trump should be held accountable for his actions.”
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

no no, you missed
your own point. your post didn’t say trump should be held accountable ( which i agree with). you were criticizing people who defend trump. but your side still worships clinton. if it’s ok for your sidento overlook moral lapses, why is it wrong for my side to do so?
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Again you think Clinton supporters worship Clinton ??

Trump supporters Worship Trump ... (watch a rally ) once Again attempting to claim they are the same

I know Getting a blow job is horrible and lying about it is worse

but playing with the russians their no harm in that or paying of a porn star before an election or just lying daily is just being a politician for Trump..

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I know Getting a blow job is horrible and lying about it is worse

The only time it’s horrible is when it’s non consensual. Clinton and Lewinski were both into it...
that whole investigation was a total joke. So what if he denied it...it was no ones business but his and his wife’s. Were any laws broken ?? No.

Trump on the other hand is basically a mafia boss directing a bunch of felons at this point.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The only time it’s horrible is when it’s non consensual. Clinton and Lewinski were both into it...
that whole investigation was a total joke. So what if he denied it...it was no ones business but his and his wife’s. Were any laws broken ?? No.

Trump on the other hand is basically a mafia boss directing a bunch of felons at this point.
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Well Fellatrix and Felon both start with F
So they are the same
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The only time it’s horrible is when it’s non consensual. Clinton and Lewinski were both into it...
that whole investigation was a total joke. So what if he denied it...it was no ones business but his and his wife’s. Were any laws broken ?? No.
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Consensual but still highly unethical.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

Consensual but still highly unethical.
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Worthy of impeachment ??? Doubtful.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Consensual but still highly unethical.
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the ability for an intern to give consent to the president, is debatable. so you think teachers should
be able to get involved with students, if the student is above the
minimum age of consent? the difference in authority, doesn’t effect the ability to give consent? i guess you’re not into the whole me too movement then, most were above the age of consent.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The only time it’s horrible is when it’s non consensual. Clinton and Lewinski were both into it...
that whole investigation was a total joke. So what if he denied it...it was no ones business but his and his wife’s. Were any laws broken ?? No.

Trump on the other hand is basically a mafia boss directing a bunch of felons at this point.
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the law says that when the two parties are from unequal places on the .org chart, that it can’t be consensual. this is why teachers cannot get involved with students, even if the student is 18. in any event, bill didn’t get into trouble for the fling, he got into trouble for
lying about it under oath. you seem to think he got impeached because if the fling - nope. and maybe you don’t care, but i’d say it’s also horrible when the man is married and has children.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the law says that when the two parties are from unequal places on the .org chart, that it can’t be consensual.
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didn't clinton sign that legislation in to law?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Again you think Clinton supporters worship Clinton ??

Trump supporters Worship Trump ... (watch a rally ) once Again attempting to claim they are the same

I know Getting a blow job is horrible and lying about it is worse

but playing with the russians their no harm in that or paying of a porn star before an election or just lying daily is just being a politician for Trump..

Bill Clinton is still very popular with democrats, and unless i has a stroke this morning, Hilary was the democratic presidential nominee in 2016.

WDMSO, your side is very very comfortable nominating people
who have horrible ethics. that’s ok, because some of them, like bill clinton, were decent presidents. but it means you can’t wag your finger and lecture republicans when we do the same exact thing.

is paying off a porn star, which he did before he was a politician, worse than what Clinton did while in office? Debatable i guess. Both men are reptiles. Both made the country better in my opinion. i can live with the moral lapses if they implement policies which improve the country.
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