biden blames trump supporters for violence of last three months

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Bob look around yourself, the pandemic response is controlled at a state level. Your governors have done a piss poor job. Only need to look at NYS and see that the head #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& in charge , needlessly killed more people by sending cover positive patients to. be quarantined in Nursing homes

This is absurd, the Federal government controls the CDC who's guidance advises policy, the FDA which oversees safety among other things and the legal means to use the private sector to accelerate production of critical supplies. The Fed response was half baked at best. Hey, let's put people with no experience in charge, Jarred, you lead the testing strategy...sad trombone horn.

Now we're seeing a brazen politicization of the CDC and FDA in an attempt to influence the election. If we have no faith in science and the medical profession it will be impossible to coordinate an effective response to this pandemic.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

This is absurd, the Federal government controls the CDC who's guidance advises policy, the FDA which oversees safety among other things and the legal means to use the private sector to accelerate production of critical supplies. The Fed response was half baked at best. Hey, let's put people with no experience in charge, Jarred, you lead the testing strategy...sad trombone horn.

Now we're seeing a brazen politicization of the CDC and FDA in an attempt to influence the election. If we have no faith in science and the medical profession it will be impossible to coordinate an effective response to this pandemic.

So why didn't all 50 governors force covid-positive patients into nursing homes?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As usual, you mislead

"For the last four years we weren't having riots, racial riots," he said of his second term with Obama. "When they occurred, we didn't have to call in the National Guard."

The National Guard was called to help restore peace in Ferguson.

What else ya got?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The National Guard was called to help restore peace in Ferguson.

What else ya got?

Come on now, if it was Tweety it would be rationalized by saying the Gov did it and "I take no responsibility at all"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Come on now, if it was Tweety it would be rationalized by saying the Gov did it and "I take no responsibility at all"

YOU said that the “no national guard” reference, made biden’s claim true.

i shared with you the irrefutable fact that the national guard was called up to ferguson.

So was biden forgetting, it was he lying?

Which. Is. It?

you cannot respond with “but trump...”.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

This is absurd, the Federal government controls the CDC who's guidance advises policy, the FDA which oversees safety among other things and the legal means to use the private sector to accelerate production of critical supplies. The Fed response was half baked at best. Hey, let's put people with no experience in charge, Jarred, you lead the testing strategy...sad trombone horn.

Now we're seeing a brazen politicization of the CDC and FDA in an attempt to influence the election. If we have no faith in science and the medical profession it will be impossible to coordinate an effective response to this pandemic.

And didn't the CDC's mission statement on their website say something like they were there to backstop the states. When Trump claimed otherwise they changed the website.

[Pete F.]

Simple, he didn't do it.
Make that false.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And didn't the CDC's mission statement on their website say something like they were there to backstop the states. When Trump claimed otherwise they changed the website.

This is a sincere question, not a gotcha question...why didn't all 50 governors do what Cuomo did, and force covid-positive patients into nursing homes?

Is there anything to be learned by looking at which states have the highest death rates, and which have the lowest? Maybe not as we can pretty much move freely. Or is all that matters, finding a way to blame Trump?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Simple, he didn't do it.
Make that false.

You're saying that Governor Cuomo, didn't mandate that nursing homes admit covid-positive patients? Is that what you're saying?

My company sells professional liability insurance to nursing homes, we have a ton of accounts in NY. I have participated in 50 discussions on this topic.

Governor Cuomo isn't denying he did this. He is saying the CDC forced him to do it. Which seems wrong, since not all the governors did it.

Anyway, here is an article from that pro-Trump outlet called CNN. So I just made that wrong.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/23/polit...nts/index.html

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

This is a sincere question, not a gotcha question...why didn't all 50 governors do what Cuomo did, and force covid-positive patients into nursing homes?

Remember this was in March when people were still trying to figure out what was going on. NY was following the CDC guidance at the time and just got whacked for it because the state had the first big flare up. Your CNN article mentions about a dozen other states did the same thing. Why not all 50? Hell, many states led by Trump sycophants don't even want to require masks.

My college town Ames, Iowa right now has the worst Covid rate in the country and Iowa State is still planning on playing football at 1/2 capacity. The Gov has been terrible.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Remember this was in March when people were still trying to figure out what was going on. NY was following the CDC guidance at the time and just got whacked for it because the state had the first big flare up. Your CNN article mentions about a dozen other states did the same thing. Why not all 50? Hell, many states led by Trump sycophants don't even want to require masks.

My college town Ames, Iowa right now has the worst Covid rate in the country and Iowa State is still planning on playing football at 1/2 capacity. The Gov has been terrible.

"Remember this was in March when people were still trying to figure out what was going on"

We knew then, because again I work in this space for a living, that elderly were going to be the most vulnerable. So if you're going to be this charitable with Cuomo, it would boost your credibility to apply the same standard for Trump. Because democrats are saying he didn't do nearly enough in January. If that's true, Cuomo knedw well in March how risky this was.

"NY was following the CDC guidance at the time "

I already stated that. But why didn't the other 49 governors do the same thing?

"many states led by Trump sycophants don't even want to require masks."

There are left leaning states that didn't do what Cuomo did.

You won't criticize Cuomo for forcing sick people into nursing homes, but you insulted states run by Trump sycophants who didn't do what Cuomo did, some of whom have death rates a whole lot lower than New York state.

You can't ever just set the politics aside, can you? Never.

liberal=good, conservative=bad

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

My college town Ames, Iowa right now has the worst Covid rate in the country and Iowa State is still planning on playing football at 1/2 capacity. The Gov has been terrible.

WHat's the final death rate going to be? That's what matters.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

YOU said that the “no national guard” reference, made biden’s claim true.

i shared with you the irrefutable fact that the national guard was called up to ferguson.

So was biden forgetting, it was he lying?

Which. Is. It?

you cannot respond with “but trump...”.
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Simple, he didn't do it.
Make that false.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're saying that Governor Cuomo, didn't mandate that nursing homes admit covid-positive patients? Is that what you're saying?

My company sells professional liability insurance to nursing homes, we have a ton of accounts in NY. I have participated in 50 discussions on this topic.

Governor Cuomo isn't denying he did this. He is saying the CDC forced him to do it. Which seems wrong, since not all the governors did it.

Anyway, here is an article from that pro-Trump outlet called CNN. So I just made that wrong.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/23/polit...nts/index.html

Cuomo #^&#^&#^&#^&ed up and has pretty much said so, as much as any politician does.
Meanwhile, Tweety literally blames all his problems on the last President and the next President.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Cuomo #^&#^&#^&#^&ed up and has pretty much said so, .

where did he say anything like this? Again, a sincere question, not a gotcha question.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Cuomo #^&#^&#^&#^&ed up and has pretty much said so, as much as any politician does.
Meanwhile, Tweety literally blames all his problems on the last President and the next President.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

where did he say anything like this? Again, a sincere question, not a gotcha question.

Nice partial quote, just like your patron

Google is available to all

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So why didn't all 50 governors force covid-positive patients into nursing homes?

Your clueless Covid 19 ravaged nursing homes overwhelming intoduced by staff,
Not the small fraction of patients returned from the hospital

How do you think covid 19 showed prisons ?

My wife's nursing home has a covid 19 floor this mantra its dems fault is :rotflmao

All 50 states have covid in their nursing. Look at Idaho and all the other red states who looked at saw how it was in NY NJ Ma and other states .. by the time it showed most of the resident's were wearing masks and understand stood the need for social distancing... it had nothing to do with Republicans leadership

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Your clueless Covid 19 ravaged nursing homes overwhelming intoduced by staff,
Not the small fraction of patients returned from the hospital

How do you think covid 19 showed prisons ?

My wife's nursing home has a covid 19 floor this mantra its dems fault is :rotflmao

All 50 states have covid in their nursing. Look at Idaho and all the other red states who looked at saw how it was in NY NJ Ma and other states .. by the time it showed most of the resident's were wearing masks and understand stood the need for social distancing... it had nothing to do with Republicans leadership

Never said that other states had no issues with nursing homes. But not all states did what Cuomo did, and NY has one of the highest death rates. Maybe there's a connection there.

I'm clueless, and you're not. If you say so.

[Got Stripers]

Nine weeks!

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

WHat's the final death rate going to be? That's what matters.

Not necessarily. We've learned a lot in the past 6 months and have a much better understanding on how to treat as well as how to prevent. Comparing stats from NY in April to North Dakota in October would require detailed analysis, not a meme.

[wdmso]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53525440


Are US cities seeing a surge in violent crime as Trump claims?




But in many major US cities, including Chicago and New York, violent crime overall is down compared with the same time last year.


You want to stop riots let's start with with acknowledging that killing unarmed Americans by police is not acceptable, regardless of their the color of their skin or their past criminal records or their lack of instant obedience to orders and respect for authority that some feel is justification for killing unarmed civilans

Let's Acknowledge that bringing a gun to a protest and killing 2 people and injuring another fellow American is Not a patriotism


Let's Acknowledge there is a clear distinction between protesting and looting and Riots and the last 2 are not acceptable

Let's acknowledge demanding accountability of police is NOT anti law enforcement


Let's Acknowledge showing up in vehicles laden with armed people and covered with Trump flags are not counter protesters

And lastly let's acknowledge this there are 2 country's in America a red one and Blue one. If you listen and believe what Trump is selling to to all Americans

AND acknowledge That Trump is the Man who is sowing that Narrative .. and mzny conservatives are silent

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Are US cities seeing a surge in violent crime as Trump claims?

But in many major US cities, including Chicago and New York, violent crime overall is down compared with the same time last year.

That can't be true because PeteF says it's under Trump's watch.

You want to stop riots let's start with with acknowledging that killing unarmed Americans by police is not acceptable, regardless of their the color of their skin or their past criminal records or their lack of instant obedience to orders and respect for authority that some feel is justification for killing unarmed civilans

It depends on the circumstances. We should start with acknowledging that riots are not acceptable. And that protests should not only be peaceful, they should occur after the facts and judgments are in, not before.

Let's Acknowledge that bringing a gun to a protest and killing 2 people and injuring another fellow American is Not a patriotism

Let's acknowledge that using a gun in self defense or the protection of property is a fundamental right of Americans.

Let's Acknowledge there is a clear distinction between protesting and looting and Riots and the last 2 are not acceptable

Sure.

Let's acknowledge demanding accountability of police is NOT anti law enforcement

Sure.

Let's Acknowledge showing up in vehicles laden with armed people and covered with Trump flags are not counter protesters

Vehicles and Trump flags should be permissible. BLM shirts and banners are OK. And being armed for self-protection when faced with hostile rioters should be OK. Especially when the police are unwilling, or unable to defend you.

Of course, I may be wrong, but I doubt that Trump supporters or militia types would even care about actually peaceful protests.

And lastly let's acknowledge this there are 2 country's in America a red one and Blue one. If you listen and believe what Trump is selling to to all Americans

I have no idea of what you're trying to say here.

AND acknowledge That Trump is the Man who is sowing that Narrative .. and mzny conservatives are silent

???

[RickBomba]

Originally Posted by detbuch

???

Careful with the blue, Butchie.

I hear that kind of instability fires up mini-strokes.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RickBomba

Careful with the blue, Butchie.

I hear that kind of instability fires up mini-strokes.
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Would red be better?

[Pete F.]

I just got an update: Downtown Portland remains intact with no raging fires. There are some routine contrails (not chemtrails!) above the city from arriving flights, but no indication any of those airplanes are bringing in brigades of Antifa commandos.
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