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08-18-2022, 05:29 AM
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I am curious to know your opinion on a teacher contract that mandates that skin color be the determining factor in deciding which teachers get fired.
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did anybody answer this question yet? |
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08-18-2022, 05:32 AM
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Pretty soon Jim will have driven everyone else out of Connecticut.
Just let him keep thinking taxes are the reason they’re leaving.
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here, the right wing jerks at CNBC say that the top 5! states that lost population in 2020 were NY, NJ, IL, CA, and CT. what’s the commonality there, Pete? Are those states a mixed bag of red and blue?
And they say, obviously, that taxes are a big reason why people
are moving where they’re moving. not the only reason obviously.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/01/08/...ring-2020.html
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08-18-2022, 06:51 AM
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No Jim, it’s obviously you.
🤷#^&♂️
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08-18-2022, 07:13 AM
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No Jim, it’s obviously you.
🤷#^&♂️
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sorry i dont have my gibberish to adult english translation book with me.
Pete, there are some things, some policies, some events, in which the right wins over the left. Not every time obviously. But not never.
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08-18-2022, 07:36 AM
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Well, it’s said that the best satire has it’s roots in truth.
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08-18-2022, 07:39 AM
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did anybody answer this question yet?
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Are you shooting for Jim’s badge, or has he deputized you in his battle for his vision of the American way?
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08-18-2022, 07:43 AM
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did anybody answer this question yet?
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No (unless calling me names counts as answering). And it's the key question on this issue, all that matters really. So I will re-ask.
Wayne, Pete, Paul, can any of you tell us why it's better for students if they keep non-white teachers, rather than keeping the most talented teachers?
Cue the chirping crickets...
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08-18-2022, 02:50 PM
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did anybody answer this question yet?
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Yea the contract doesn’t mention race any where in it
And no where in the same contract does it address Jim’s imaginary scenario . See Below
why it's better for students if they keep non-white teachers, rather than keeping the most talented teachers?
it’s specific to lay offs only and seniority if they wanted a performance based system the could have voted on it . But they didn’t
Please who define most talented. The parents? once again you sound as if all teachers are equal.
So which teachers. Gym English or math or Special Ed k1 teachers or high school Male teachers or female Gay who’s better?
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08-18-2022, 02:58 PM
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Yea the contract doesn’t mention race any where in it
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IReally?
The contract says that teachers who are not members of "underrepresented groups" are fired before teachers from "underrepresented groups".
But it's not about race.
You can't just say "that's not fair", because liberals did it.
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08-18-2022, 03:00 PM
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why it's better for students if they keep non-white teachers, rather than keeping the most talented teachers?
it’s specific to lay offs only
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Right. So if you need to lay off a teacher, why is skin color the determining factor in who gets laid off, rather than ability. |
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08-18-2022, 05:42 PM
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Right. So if you need to lay off a teacher, why is skin color the determining factor in who gets laid off, rather than ability.
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Race isn’t mentioned in the contract
underrepresented could be gay or Trans or veterans you and the white wing media is suggesting it’s a blk vs white issue
Veterans get special treatment on tests and hiring most don’t have An issue with that?
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08-18-2022, 07:26 PM
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Right. So if you need to lay off a teacher, why is skin color, sexual orientation, military service, disability the determining factor in who gets laid off, rather than ability.
US Equal Employment Commission
General Non-Discrimination Policy Tips
State that discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, or gender identity), national origin, disability, age (40 or older) or genetic information (including family medical history) is illegal and will not be tolerated.
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08-19-2022, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
No (unless calling me names counts as answering). And it's the key question on this issue, all that matters really. So I will re-ask.
Wayne, Pete, Paul, can any of you tell us why it's better for students if they keep non-white teachers, rather than keeping the most talented teachers?
Cue the chirping crickets...
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Apparently, you don’t trust the courts to handle this one.
It’s better for your narrative of how hard it is to be a white man in America to whinge endlessly.
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08-19-2022, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Race isn’t mentioned in the contract
underrepresented could be gay or Trans or veterans you and the white wing media is suggesting it’s a blk vs white issue
Veterans get special treatment on tests and hiring most don’t have An issue with that?
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On the news this morning, proponents for this contract literally defended it along racial lines. They were saying that they needed to have teachers that represented the racial makeup of the schools. So just because it doesn’t use the word race in its wording, that is the intention. This was just on GMA.
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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08-19-2022, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
On the news this morning, proponents for this contract literally defended it along racial lines. They were saying that they needed to have teachers that represented the racial makeup of the schools. So just because it doesn’t use the word race in its wording, that is the intention. This was just on GMA.
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TDF, the word “race” isn’t in there. Therefore wayne doesn’t want to talk about it.
The fact that progressives are using the racial aspect of this to defend it, doesn’t matter to him.
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08-19-2022, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Race isn’t mentioned in the contract
underrepresented could be gay or Trans or veterans you and the white wing media is suggesting it’s a blk vs white issue
Veterans get special treatment on tests and hiring most don’t have An issue with that?
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Federal law does not expressly prohibit using military service to distinguish people for employment. Federal law does expressly prohibit the use of race. So there’s that.
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08-19-2022, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
On the news this morning, proponents for this contract literally defended it along racial lines. They were saying that they needed to have teachers that represented the racial makeup of the schools. So just because it doesn’t use the word race in its wording, that is the intention. This was just on GMA.
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Needed or desired?
Having teachers representative of a schools population is bad?
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08-19-2022, 07:48 PM
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Needed or desired?
Having teachers representative of a schools population is bad?
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Hiring or firing along racial lines is bad, no matter how you want to word it or justify it.
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08-20-2022, 03:52 AM
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Hiring or firing along racial lines is bad, no matter how you want to word it or justify it.
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bad and blatantly illegal.
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08-20-2022, 04:02 AM
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Needed or desired?
Having teachers representative of a schools population is bad?
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not everyone is obsessed over skin pigmentation. Just liberals
Having good teachers is far more important than having teachers whose skin color distribution matches that of the community.
I taught math Pete, in an economically challenged public school in CT. I didnt look like many of my students, It didn’t stop me from being great at it. Teachers need to have mastery of the subject material, have the ability to communicate, love their kids, be engaged with them, and have the fire to avoid getting burned out which is way too common. Skin color doesn’t matter with any of that.
Skin color won’t make a bad or
mediocre teacher, any better. It just won’t.
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08-21-2022, 10:08 AM
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not everyone is obsessed over skin pigmentation. Just liberals
Having good teachers is far more important than having teachers whose skin color distribution matches that of the community.
I taught math Pete, in an economically challenged public school in CT. I didnt look like many of my students, It didn’t stop me from being great at it. Teachers need to have mastery of the subject material, have the ability to communicate, love their kids, be engaged with them, and have the fire to avoid getting burned out which is way too common. Skin color doesn’t matter with any of that.
Skin color won’t make a bad or
mediocre teacher, any better. It just won’t.
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Skin color doesn’t matter in America
Black couple in Maryland gets house appraised. Many signs a Black family lives there. Appraisal $472,000. Couple 'whitewashes' house - removes any signs of a Black family, replace with items suggesting White family lives there. Get a second appraisal. $725,000. Lawsuit filed.
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08-21-2022, 01:16 PM
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Skin color doesn’t matter in America
Black couple in Maryland gets house appraised. Many signs a Black family lives there. Appraisal $472,000. Couple 'whitewashes' house - removes any signs of a Black family, replace with items suggesting White family lives there. Get a second appraisal. $725,000. Lawsuit filed.
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i don’t know what that case is. i never said there isn’t racism out there. but here’s the difference between us, i feel
racial discrimination is always bad. You think it’s good when liberals do it ( shocker).
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08-21-2022, 01:41 PM
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i don’t know what that case is. i never said there isn’t racism out there. but here’s the difference between us, i feel
racial discrimination is always bad. You think it’s good when liberals do it ( shocker).
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So is it worth doing anything about racism or only if it affects whites?
Cause it’s certainly the incidents that affect whites that trigger you….
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