What do you want to see?

[Squibby17]

[QUOTE=Krispy;448978]

Originally Posted by tynan19

I would assume the speaker has credibility in the surf fishing community if he is hired to give the seminar. QUOTE]
You know what they say about assuming.
I need LOTS of fish pics to give credibility, stories about 20yrs ago at so and so spot are what gets old. Pertinent info that can be put to use today, clear and consise.
I dont care about humour either way, its good if it comes naturally

I agree with the old, old pictures. I'm 25 and when I see all these shots of guys with 15 30-40lb laided out on the beach from 1978. I don't know if I should shake there hand or walk away for obvious reasons. I think that a semiar like any type of information or entertainment has to draw people in and payoff with good visuals so you explain a techinque for a few minutes and then show a nice bass you pulled out using this techinque with in the past 5 years that says to me wow this guy knows what hes talking about (and not reliving the glory days).

[snake slinger]

i like to see pics of big fish but there should be pics of a stretch of water and explaine where and why you should present eel or lure.you can take a pic of a spot and not burn it.

[EricM]

Thanks for asking what might be interesting to see... IMHO diagrams of structure- not necessarily specific structure, but maybe idealized structure in such a way that it provides a good indicator of how an expert visualizes the underwater topography and where fish would be holding in relationship to current, etc.

The dead fish photo is the end of the road, but doesn't help the person sitting in the seminar to understand how you, the expert presenter, went through your thought process to catch that fish. If you have a limited amt. of time and visuals that you can show, then it would be great if each one counted in terms of illustrating your thought process. And then, at the end of the show...show the picture of the result of that thought process...

[Joe]

If you look across the room at a seminar, figure about half the people have been fishing for five years or less. The other half are very experienced and would be happy learning just one or two things - or maybe they have come specifically to ask a speaker a couple of questions.
This experience disparity among the audience means it's going to be very hard to do a presentation that is all things to all people. A picture of a dead fish does lend credibility to some, while others find it boastful.
As anyone who has ever looked out over a room full of surly fisherman knows - it's tough crowd - and a lot of work for very little money. My hat's off to you for doing it.

[Raven]

all knowledge that we have in our brains.....even words are stored as pictures that we associate with that definition. The word apple, we see as a picture of the word apple...but also we see a 3 dimensional apple in our minds eye.

So pictures are very important in any presentation
on the one hand.... but with the forementioned said....a still picture must be worth a thousand words and be informative like how things are rigged..(done) and then left there to burn that image (technique) into our brain.

With the popularity of youtube....short video's (ie moving pictures)
are becoming more of the standard method of demonstration of something that cannot be demonstrated very well in a room via words or it would leave to much to the imagination.

the verification pictures of the Big Bass being caught should be
less during the presentation and more around the question and answer period following. People also want to imagine themselves
catching 30-40lb fish so some pictures are required to fuel their
imagination without the viewer being over saturated.

[Canalman]

Bill,

I want a map on that screen showing all your fishing spots, all mine, all Ebens, Piemma's etc.

No, really no,

I think looking at things from a "fishing sense" angle is the way to go. Teach how instead of where. Talk about learning the wind and tide, how they work together with bait patterns. How to stay with a school of fish from night to night. Stuff like that.

[Saltheart]

I want maps and spots. I also want to know where to park.

Other than that , I guess babes in bikini's bending over to lip a bass is next most importatnt on my list.

[EricM]

Continuing on the discussion, the real challenge is to try to appeal to audiences with mixed experience levels.

I do remember, however, a terrific podcast I heard- it was an interview with Norm Albiston, who is a professor of fly fishing at a university out west (the name escapes me), that did an excellent job of delivering something for everyone. The podcast laid out his basic approach to teaching fishing, which was to break down fishing into what he called "The Five Things You Can Change" when fishing, which were: 1) the depth you fish at; 2) the movement or lack thereof that you impart to the lure or bait; 3) the kind of lure you choose; 4) the location you have selected to fish at; and 5) the time that you choose to fish at, whether that be time of year or time of day or night.

In addition, he broke down his discussion of "location" into what he called "The Three C's" those being: a) current; b) cover; and c) cusine.

It was an excellent example of how to deliver a lecture that was both sophisticated and simple at the same time- and it provides a good insight into how one particular expert angler approaches the water.

[Redsoxticket]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

Looking for some input, Not a flame war...

Anyway, recently it has been mentioned to me that less and less people attending seminars enjoy just looking at photos of dead fish. I have in the past used more photos of friends than of myself and I may eliminate dead fish pics all together..
So, does it get old to you seeing the same guy just flash fish after fish in a program? yes
or
do you want to see that? no
Or
would you rather leave the seminar with solid information you can put to use. yes
Do you need to see the pics of the fish to trust the guy? no
when you see a show where the speaker just shows shot after shot of dead fish does it bug you? yes in excess
One other Question, as long as the info is solid , do you care if the guy is really entertaining or injects humor? no, at the beginning to break ice or end
or
is the solid info all you care about! yes
How many times do you want to hear about so and so's 30 or 40lber thats yesterdays news?? yesterday yes, 30 years ago no.

I have a few shows this year and I am looking to simply give the best info I can, I am fairly new at it still and just trying to put the best foot forward. I'm sure you will.

Any and all thoughts on this are apreciated...Thanks..Bill

Place the audience like there in your shoes and say what you know best.

[Flaptail]

[QUOTE=Squibby17;449208]

Originally Posted by Krispy

I agree with the old, old pictures. I'm 25 and when I see all these shots of guys with 15 30-40lb laided out on the beach from 1978. I don't know if I should shake there hand or walk away for obvious reasons. I think that a semiar like any type of information or entertainment has to draw people in and payoff with good visuals so you explain a techinque for a few minutes and then show a nice bass you pulled out using this techinque with in the past 5 years that says to me wow this guy knows what hes talking about (and not reliving the glory days).

First of all, thanks for the insult, it wasn't appreciated by any of us here who lived the "glory days" of which I was and still are, proud to have been a part of. Your statement in this above quote shows more ignorance than knowledge, it's obvious your still a kid who knows all in your humble opinion. Saying things like "shake your hand or walk away for obvious reasons" is another slap in the face to those of us "old guys" who at the time, legally and through hard work put fish on the beach to sell. Science, which we rely on these days for things like input and direction on quotas and sustainable yield, was relied on by us just as much back then. There was no hard data that the end was near, some, like Bob Pond, had theories based on annecdotal eveidence, but no hard scientific fact to tell us that even though we were up to our ass in big bass the shoe was about to drop. Do you think putting 600 pounds or a 1000 pounds on the beach in one night was done by guys who did not know how to fish or if put in that situation again in the present days if the opportunity arose, wouldn't have the know how because that was then and this is now? What was looked on then as an admirable way to make a living or to supplement a challenging income should now be looked upon with scorn? How dare you! What makes you so holy? Do you think we would have done what we did if we knew then what we know now?

What is so different now than what we faced in 1978? Has the bass changed genetically to be more wary or intelligent than they were then? Someday my young friend you might see a change in your opinion but for now, as one who has been catching bass for 40 years plus and know and have known many of the greats of the old guard,the only thing shown by your post here is the vast amount of ignorance you have of your sport, it's history and the relevance of past days to where we are right now.

You have a lot of growing up to do, get on with it before you post such ridiculous, insulting and ignorant statements again.

Steve Shiraka
Cape Cod Ma
Striper Fisherman

[Karl F]

Tactics and technique, structure, bait patterns and how to recognize them, how to find fish. Things to make the listener think, sennse of humor, yeah, like had been said, as long as it's not forced. keep it to the point, and interesting... fish pics, and the past.. ya gotta have history.. here is a little from fall of 78 .. (BTW Flap, I think you know this guy.. 34 fish from the beach, 1000 pounds.. he has the slip. )
Not a fan of pictures and cameras,now, but, dig history.. love pics from the good old days.. but not today.. if that makes sense.

[NIB]

From the questions I see on the websites.I think alot of seminarian anglers could benitfit from a seminar on the rudimenatry things..
Gear,rods reels,line,(mono, braid,why they are diff.) leaders..Bait fishing bait selection,,lure selection as pertaining to prevelant forage,an migratory baitfish an thier patterns...
KNOTS
I think u could do a half hr on knots..
Seems simple to most but u would be surprised how many can't snell, palomar,uni to uni,clinch loop knot,albright..the list is endless.where an when to apply each..
I think most beginners lose quality fish beacuse they have Less than zero chance to begin with..
Surfcasting 101..
Be ginners would be glued to ur every word..'
Great for kids..
There's a market there..say 8-13 yr olds..
U know thats how the target sales in many other forms of entertainment..I know u know this if u have kids..

[RickBomba]

I want chix in bikinis.
Ask Dadbomba about his '78&'79 pix, crazy.
Later,
Rick

[Megabyte]

Bill, pic & humor are very good to have. EBA presentation while excellent was way tooooooo short.

I'd like to see your normal 45-60 presentation next time your doing one.

Or I'd like to just see you catchin'

pic or any kind are good motivation for those still lookin to catch one of those 50's.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Canalman

Bill,

I want a map on that screen showing all your fishing spots, all mine, all Ebens, Piemma's etc.

[spence]

I'd use some dramatic shore photos and be very specific on where the fish will be. Use it as a teaching opportunity so people learn rather than are just given some splash.

A few big fish pics are great, but be sure to tell a story. Use drama...etc...

Bill, I'm a professional presenter. If you want I'd be happy to help.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

Bill, I'm a professional presenter. If you want I'd be happy to help.

-spence

I`ll take some presents

[Fish_Eye]

Old Chinese proverb says it all:

Tell me, I will forget

Show me, I may remember

Involve me, and I will understand.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Megabyte

Bill, pic & humor are very good to have. EBA presentation while excellent was way tooooooo short.

I'd like to see your normal 45-60 presentation next time your doing one.

Or I'd like to just see you catchin'

pic or any kind are good motivation for those still lookin to catch one of those 50's.

I know it was short however, we were under strict time restraints and I acually went OVER my time a bit so, it was not of my choice.

And soon I am off to the boat show to watch Jim Whites show!

[Jenn]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Do you think we would have done what we did if we knew then what we know now?
Steve Shiraka
Cape Cod Ma
Striper Fisherman

I started fishing down the cape with my dad in 78. I was very young but do recall the fish we would catch stripers, blues & flounder.. Do I regret the fish we kept? no I dont. Even though we were "having fun catching" we filleted and ate the fish we kept and yes we even sold some one year. It was a different time and place. Gone too are the days when you could drive RP and every one of the entire twenty people you saw out there waved and said hello. Anyway keeping those fish fed the family all year. It is no worse than the person that buys their fish in the store which is in fact worse if you want to add up the pounds of "bycatch" it took to put one pound of fish in the display case!!!! In fact if you fish at all you have NO RIGHT to judge someone for keeping legal fish.




Anyway #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& I am sorry I hijacked your thread.

[fishermanjim]

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&,,, i think you need some pics,,, however the way you used them to show the result of your style of fishing is needed,,, fishermen do need to see the result pics,,, that is the nature of our sport,,, we all need to practice conservation but we all need to see results at any seminar,,,

[labrax]

Originally Posted by gldnbear93

One of the best seminars I ever attended had very few pictures of dead fish or any fish for that matter. A lot of it had to do with reading the water, choosing and working the fly and moon phase. I like more discussion of technique and getting information to make me a better fisherman, I don't need or want 15 out of 30 pictures to be of a fish lying on the beach or on the rocks. Those do have their place, particularly as backup evidence that the presenters methods work, but pictures/videos clips (!) illustrating the topic I feel are more effective. That way people can see exactly what it is that is being discussed.
That said, I think a striking picture would be of a schoolie or just keeper sized fish right next to a slob. This could really bring home to people the difference between what most people catch on regular basis vs. a 40/50 pounder.
Good luck with all your presentatiosn this winter. I know you will do well!

This is exactly what I would say. I do not need to see repetitive pictures of fish - the best seminars I have been to lead you to be a better fisherman, not reinforce that the speaker can catch fish.

[Nebe]

Steve Mckenna gives a good one.. maybe you could learn something from him
just kidding, just make it fun, keep the crowds attention and give out what you know best... EEEEELS and how to fish them.

[AT Grimaldi]

I agree with TT. I have seen a few different versions of your show and have found them all, humble, VERY informative and well done. Honestly, I wouldn't really change anything. Nice work. So....uh....when are you going to work at the Edge? LOL.